Project 2025

[TankTop5]

Been there years ago and don't agree. I trust your conclusions without some backup pretty useless, too.

That’s not even an honest argument. NAZI’s are anti capitalist socialist workers party. The philosophy of the NAZI’s and modern liberalism is the exact same and if you study Ayer’s and Dohrn the politics and philosophy line up identical. With the exception of wiping out Jews modern Liberalism and NAZIsm are literally identical. Please stop arguing with me and go spend a little time studying the topic. I’m almost sorry to inform you but I’m not, you’ve been deceiving into believing the opposite is true but t the information is easy to find. Stop arguing with me and go read it for yourself, it’s really easy to find.

 

[TankTop5]

I know this will come as a surprise but.history repeats itself. Go read what NAZI’s actually believed. Then compare that with conservatives and liberals, make a spreadsheet and decide for yourself who’s who.

 

[Dude#1279435]

So the racism is just a bonus?

You're the Nazi, lovin. Equal to Germany's past.

 

[lovinthehd]

You're the Nazi, lovin. Equal to Germany's past.

I'm not a republican/maga so not so much, sorry.

 

[TankTop5]

I'm not a republican/maga so not so much, sorry.

Sucks when you own yourself.

anyway as I’ve said many many times before I’m not a Republican or MAGA but its typical of the Left to name call when they lack any type of rational argument. Flinging poo doesn’t win arguments. It’s comical that Liberals are too stupid to realize that moderates are fleeing the party because we’re all tire of being labeled NAZI’s, racists and homophobes as some stupid reverse Uno card… grow up!

 

[Trell]

Sucks when you own yourself.

anyway as I’ve said many many times before I’m not a Republican or MAGA but its typical of the Left to name call when they lack any type of rational argument. Flinging poo doesn’t win arguments. It’s comical that Liberals are too stupid to realize that moderates are fleeing the party because we’re all tire of being labeled NAZI’s, racists and homophobes as some stupid reverse Uno card… grow up!

So you even read your own posts before posting?

 

[TankTop5]

So you even read your own posts before posting?

Seriously? Find a post, any post where I’ve said I’m a Republican or MAGA.

 

[Trell]

Seriously? Find a post, any post where I’ve said I’m a Republican or MAGA.

I was referring to your complaining about the “Left” name calling and lack of rational arguments and yourself doing exactly that in the very same post.

 

[GO-NAD!]

“The party was created to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.[14] Initially, Nazi political strategy focused on anti–big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric”

Nazism is radical liberalism. Go read up on what they believed and taught. It’s going to blow your mind when you realize that you are the true NAZI… the SOCIALIST WORKER PARTY

Nice selective quote.

Here's the whole paragraph (italics are mine):

The Nazi Party,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party#cite_note-11 officially the National Socialist German Workers' Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei [c] or NSDAP), was a far-right[10][11][12] political party in Germany active between 1920 and 1945 that created and supported the ideology of Nazism. Its precursor, the German Workers' Party (Deutsche Arbeiterpartei; DAP), existed from 1919 to 1920. The Nazi Party emerged from the extremist German nationalist ("Völkisch nationalist"), racist and populist Freikorps paramilitary culture, which fought against communist uprisings in post–World War I Germany.[13] The party was created to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.[14] Initially, Nazi political strategy focused on anti–big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric; it was later downplayed to gain the support of business leaders. By the 1930s, the party's main focus shifted to antisemitic and anti-Marxist themes.[15] The party had little popular support until the Great Depression, when worsening living standards and widespread unemployment drove Germans into political extremism.[12]

On 5 January 1919, Drexler created a new political party and proposed it should be named the "German Socialist Workers' Party", but Harrer objected to the term "socialist"; so the term was removed and the party was named the German Workers' Party (Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, DAP).[36] To ease concerns among potential middle-class supporters, Drexler made clear that unlike Marxists the party supported the middle-class and that its socialist policy was meant to give social welfare to German citizens deemed part of the Aryan race.[33] They became one of many völkisch movements that existed in Germany. Like other völkisch groups, the DAP advocated the belief that through profit-sharing instead of socialisation Germany should become a unified "people's community" (Volksgemeinschaft) rather than a society divided along class and party lines.[37] This ideology was explicitly antisemitic. As early as 1920, the party was raising money by selling a tobacco called Anti-Semit.[38]

From the outset, the DAP was opposed to non-nationalist political movements, especially on the left, including the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) and the Communist Party of Germany (KPD). Members of the DAP saw themselves as fighting against "Bolshevism" and anyone considered a part of or aiding so-called "international Jewry".

The reason the NAZI's didn't like capitalists was because of their supposed internationalist - as opposed to nationalist - character and being more focused on profiteering than supporting the Fatherland. But, they softened their stance in order to gain the support of big business, who viewed the NAZI's as a buffer against socialism and communism. Under the Nazis, the German economy evolved into something that bore more resemblance to mechantilism - private enterprise in the service of the state - rather than capitalist. Rather than nationalizing businesses, they were simply directed to toe the party line.

That radical liberal , Henry Ford, was a great admirer of Hitler and Ford not only prospered by producing armaments for the Allies, the company also profited by producing for the German war effort.
Ford and the Führer | The Nation

You really believe that Nazism is radical liberalism? Liberalism is a product of the Enlightenment and evolved to not only support individual liberty, but to advocate pluralism and protection of minorities. Liberalism is by definition a moderate philosophy as it straddles the centre of the political spectrum.

The National Socialist German Workers' Party was no more socialist than the Democratic Republic of Korea is democratic.

Look, I get why many conservatives try to lump the Nazis with the left. I mean, regardless of the differences between conservatives and fascists, who wants to be on the same side of the political spectrum as Hitler and Mussolini?

 

[TankTop5]

Nice selective quote.

Here's the whole paragraph (italics are mine):




The reason the NAZI's didn't like capitalists was because of their supposed internationalist - as opposed to nationalist - character and being more focused on profiteering than supporting the Fatherland. But, they softened their stance in order to gain the support of big business, who viewed the NAZI's as a buffer against socialism and communism. Under the Nazis, the German economy evolved into something that bore more resemblance to mechantilism - private enterprise in the service of the state - rather than capitalist. Rather than nationalizing businesses, they were simply directed to toe the party line.

That radical liberal , Henry Ford, was a great admirer of Hitler and Ford not only prospered by producing armaments for the Allies, the company also profited by producing for the German war effort.
Ford and the Führer | The Nation

You really believe that Nazism is radical liberalism? Liberalism is a product of the Enlightenment and evolved to not only support individual liberty, but to advocate pluralism and protection of minorities. Liberalism is by definition a moderate philosophy as it straddles the centre of the political spectrum.

The National Socialist German Workers' Party was no more socialist than the Democratic Republic of Korea is democratic.

Look, I get why many conservatives try to lump the Nazis with the left. I mean, regardless of the differences between conservatives and fascists, who wants to be on the same side of the political spectrum as Hitler and Mussolini?

Rebranding the name didn’t change its nature and from your quote gave social welfare benefits to aryans. Buying your base is effectively the same with or without racism. Hitlers youth were radicalized kids who weee already protesting and rioting in the streets with socialist beliefs. The rebranding simply legitimized party to the middle class. Fact is Hitler modeled his youth program after the KKK. It really bothers a lot of people what our whack job college kids would be capable of if a president were to legitimize them.

 

[TankTop5]

BTW and I can’t cite exactly when but the definition of Fascism was changed. It’s now simply referred to as Nationalism but its original meaning also meant centralized government and business with nationalism. Weird that a recent SCOTUS ruling severely weakened centralized power of the Federal Government, or is it? LOL

 

[Dude#1279435]

Sucks when you own yourself.

anyway as I’ve said many many times before I’m not a Republican or MAGA but its typical of the Left to name call when they lack any type of rational argument. Flinging poo doesn’t win arguments. It’s comical that Liberals are too stupid to realize that moderates are fleeing the party because we’re all tire of being labeled NAZI’s, racists and homophobes as some stupid reverse Uno card… grow up!

Your post #16....

It's going to blow your mind when you realize your the true NAZI....

But you tire of being called labels I guess?

 

[GO-NAD!]

Rebranding the name didn’t change its nature and from your quote gave social welfare benefits to aryans. Buying your base is effectively the same with or without racism. Hitlers youth were radicalized kids who weee already protesting and rioting in the streets with socialist beliefs. The rebranding simply legitimized party to the middle class. Fact is Hitler modeled his youth program after the KKK. It really bothers a lot of people what our whack job college kids would be capable of if a president were to legitimize them.

When big business throws in their lot with Nazis because they are afraid of socialism, what does that tell you?
Nothing you have stated refutes my post. You should stop with the "the Nazis were socialists/liberals" nonsense, because you're embarrassing yourself. This is like arguing with a flat-earther...

 

[Dude#1279435]

I've seen a few instances now of people having the ear marks of Republican beliefs (free markets, gun rights, disagreement with LGBTQ etc), yet say they're not MAGA, or more importantly, not Republican. Cant fool me.

 

[GO-NAD!]

BTW and I can’t cite exactly when but the definition of Fascism was changed. It’s now simply referred to as Nationalism but its original meaning also meant centralized government and business with nationalism.

Trump: 'I'm a nationalist' - POLITICO

“You know, they have a word, it sort of became old-fashioned. It’s called a nationalist,” Trump said at a campaign event in Houston, where he rallied voters to support Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) in November’s midterm elections. “And I say, ‘Really? We’re not supposed to use that word,’” Trump continued. “You know what I am? I’m a nationalist. OK? I’m a nationalist.”

Weird that a recent SCOTUS ruling severely weakened centralized power of the Federal Government, or is it? LOL

The ruling that essentially gave the POTUS a get-out-of-jail-free card? Or, is it the one where regulation is taken out of the hands of the experts and given to judges?

As an FYI, one of the intentions of Project 2025 is to politicize far more of the federal civil service. Right now, there are approximately 4000 political appointments - jobs where occupants are changed out with each administration. The intent is to make about 50,000 civil service jobs political appointments. So much for cleaning out the swamp...

 

[TankTop5]

Trump: 'I'm a nationalist' - POLITICO




The ruling that essentially gave the POTUS a get-out-of-jail-free card? Or, is it the one where regulation is taken out of the hands of the experts and given to judges?

As an FYI, one of the intentions of Project 2025 is to politicize far more of the federal civil service. Right now, there are approximately 4000 political appointments - jobs where occupants are changed out with each administration. The intent is to make about 50,000 civil service jobs political appointments. So much for cleaning out the swamp...

As I’ve already stated I haven’t read Project 2025 but I agree with you on this portion and it’s a ridiculous idea.

Fascism is centralized power of Government and corporations, nationalism is simply the vehicle. Exchanging Nationalism for Globalism doesn’t negate the goal. Socialism, Communism, Nazism and Fascism all seek to centralize power and all use some form of social welfare programs as a means to control and manipulate people. That’s what I disagree with about the Liberal Left but also the Republican Party as they’re just as guilty. The Republican Party long ago left Conservatism and only mildly clings to it as their own vehicle for manipulating their base.

 

[Trell]

When big business throws in their lot with Nazis because they are afraid of socialism, what does that tell you?
Nothing you have stated refutes my post. You should stop with the "the Nazis were socialists/liberals" nonsense, because you're embarrassing yourself. This is like arguing with a flat-earther...

Now, now, don't insult the flat-earthers.

 

[GO-NAD!]

As I’ve already stated I haven’t read Project 2025 but I agree with you on this portion and it’s a ridiculous idea.

Fascism is centralized power of Government and corporations, nationalism is simply the vehicle.

Nationalism is a characteristic of fascism, not the thing itself. Right-wing authoritarians are generally nationalists. But that doesn't mean they all hold the same abhorrent views of fascists. I'll put it this way - all fascists are nationalists, but not all nationalists are necessarily fascists.

Exchanging Nationalism for Globalism doesn’t negate the goal. Socialism, Communism, Nazism and Fascism all seek to centralize power and all use some form of social welfare programs as a means to control and manipulate people. That’s what I disagree with about the Liberal Left but also the Republican Party as they’re just as guilty.

If you believe that the intent of social programs (all?) is to control and manipulate people, even in liberal democratic countries (such as the US, Canada, Australia, UK, etc) you are straying into tin foil hat territory.

Socialism is to conservatism, as fascism is to communism. While socialism and conservatism may sit adjacent to each side of the political spectrum*, fascism and communism sit on either end.

*IMO, the spectrum is not so much a straight left-right line, as a horseshoe - bending inwards at the ends toward authoritarianism. And, in the end, if I'm being oppressed, it doesn't much matter if it's from the left or right.

The Republican Party long ago left Conservatism and only mildly clings to it as their own vehicle for manipulating their base.

I agree that the GOP has left conservatism...they've drifted further to the right.

 

[Trell]

Rebranding the name didn’t change its nature and from your quote gave social welfare benefits to aryans. Buying your base is effectively the same with or without racism. Hitlers youth were radicalized kids who weee already protesting and rioting in the streets with socialist beliefs. The rebranding simply legitimized party to the middle class. Fact is Hitler modeled his youth program after the KKK. It really bothers a lot of people what our whack job college kids would be capable of if a president were to legitimize them.

Here is an article from 2015 commemorating the 70 year anniversary of the Nuremberg trials in 1945.

It lays out the argument that the Nazism’s rise wasn’t inevitable. As part of that the article have a historic timeline of Hitler’s rise to power along with the conditions of people before and after the stock market crash of 1929.

A proper reading of that article should dispel a number of misconceptions you’ve shown in this thread.

Hitler Wasn’t Inevitable

The anniversary of the Nuremberg Trials is cause to reflect on the forces that failed to halt Nazism's rise.

jacobin.com

While the site I linked to is left leaning it’s factually reliable:

Jacobin – Bias and Credibility

LEFT BIAS These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward liberal causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may

mediabiasfactcheck.com

You see what I did here?

 

[Trell]

BTW and I can’t cite exactly when but the definition of Fascism was changed. It’s now simply referred to as Nationalism …

This is flat-out wrong and you cannot find any credible source claiming so. I think you’re making stuff up, again.