Power amp w Yam RX-V1500

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pootle

Audiophyte
Hi all - noob here!

I'm using the Yammie to drive a 7.1 ht system. Apart from the Kef mains, which seem to be unknown in this forum, the other significant speaker is my huge old Energy AS-W 12 (?) sub. I do about 50/50 ht
 
bandphan

bandphan

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Hi all - noob here!

I'm using the Yammie to drive a 7.1 ht system. Apart from the Kef mains, which seem to be unknown in this forum, the other significant speaker is my huge old Energy AS-W 12 (?) sub. I do about 50/50 ht
HUH:confused: Have stated what model ? , aside from that we know you have KEF mains;)
 
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pootle

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power amp w Yam RX-V1500 into Kef Q5s?

Cursed handheld!! It posted before I finished writing! Sorry. This should have been the full post:

Hi all - noob here!

I'm using the Yammie to drive a 7.1 ht system. Apart from the Kef mains, which seem to be unknown in this forum, the other significant speaker is my huge old Energy AS-W 12 (?) sub. I do about 50/50 ht
 
bandphan

bandphan

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Cursed handheld!! It posted before I finished writing! Sorry. This should have been the full post:

Hi all - noob here!

I'm using the Yammie to drive a 7.1 ht system. Apart from the Kef mains, which seem to be unknown in this forum, the other significant speaker is my huge old Energy AS-W 12 (?) sub. I do about 50/50 ht
thats what you posted. But nothing about a power amp, which model KEFs or room size:eek:
 
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pootle

Audiophyte
OK - DEEPLY sorry. I can't seem to post the full thing from here. I'll fix as soon as I get to a real computer. Cringes
 
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pootle

Audiophyte
Helluva way to start out on Audioholics...

:eek:

OK - here followeth the full and complete Original Post as it should have been before it wath truncated by an evil handheld device:

Original title: Power amp w Yam XR-V1500 into Kef Q5 mains

Hi all - noob here!

I'm using the Yammie to drive a 7.1 ht system. Apart from the Kef mains, the only significant speaker [for the purposes of this post, I should have added] is my huge old Energy AS-W 12 (?) sub. I do about 50/50 ht & 2.1 or 'pure direct' stereo listening to CDs and some vinyl. It's a fabulous setup for ht, but I'm a bit disappointed with the stereo performance. The soundstage isn't nearly as big or well-defined as I'd like and it's a bit cold and unengaging. Quite a few people have commented on the newer Yammies' 'bright' or 'over-processed' sound, so I've been wondering whether using a separate power amp to drive the Kefs would help. So far I've been thinking about something in the $200-ish eBay price range, possibly an Adcom 2535 (for bi-amping) or a single 5(3/4/5)5; a Carver 2-channel; or perhaps a pair of Marantz MA-6100 monoblocks. I could also get an early Belles 200, although at an asking price of $350 it's a bit out of my price range. OTOH, I'm pretty sure I could get it down to $300 or maybe even a bit less.

Any thoughts? Can I reasonably expect improvements in the areas I mentioned by adding a power amp, should I look in an entirely different direction altogether, or am I expecting too much and should be content with what I have?

Many TIA [and deep cringes and appypollyollogies for the earlier misposts :eek: )
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

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You should look in a totally different direction. If you are unhappy with your soundstage, look to speakers, room acoustics, and speaker placement. Those are what will make a difference, not another amplifier. If you have disengaged the various processing modes (and they are disengaged in "pure direct" mode), the receiver will not "over-process" the sound.
 
bandphan

bandphan

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and FWIW, that unit has a very nice preamp section and was feature rich @ it's release date.


Edit: My ex uses the 2500 and it has been flawless since the day it replaced an old 995, which I still have. Also passive biamping will not yield any audible results
 
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pootle

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Many thanks for the advice (and patience!) You might have saved me some money.

I'll certainly try to adjust the speaker placement and direction, etc., as you suggest, although I haven't much flexibility. I can't move them fore and aft more than a few inches, due to limited space and spouse's tendency to crash into things. I can move them a few feet side to side, although even then I have problems with blocking various components' IR receivers, and obviously toe them in and out, so I'll try what I can within those limitations. My listening space is so far suboptimal it's almost funny. The ground floor of my house is basically a square box. A bit less than half of it, at a guess, is taken up by the kitchen in one corner, with the rest of the space in an L around it. I have my TV and audio components against one of the kitchen walls, with a couch against the opposite wall and not much more than six or so feet away from the front of the audio component towers. Kefs sit in front of towers, on either side of 42" TV. Some way to right of couch are front door, entrance 'hall' and stairs, to left is other leg of L - some furniture, glass patio doors, etc. D'you think some sound deadening on the wall above the couch or along the stairs might help the soundstage? Any other room treatments I could try?

I'm curious about bi-amping. Would you call using two monoblocks, such as two Marantz MA-6100s or a GFA 2535 (two 535s in a single case) 'passive' bi-amping, or were you applying that just to using a single stereo power amp like the Belles?

(On the Yammie - you're right that it's quite a luxe unit for the price, especially when the price was $150. I listen to music either in Pure Direct mode which, as you say, takes just about everything but the main speakers out of the signal path, or in Direct Stereo, which includes a crossover to the sub but not much else.)
 
3db

3db

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Many thanks for the advice (and patience!) You might have saved me some money.

I'll certainly try to adjust the speaker placement and direction, etc., as you suggest, although I haven't much flexibility. I can't move them fore and aft more than a few inches, due to limited space and spouse's tendency to crash into things. I can move them a few feet side to side, although even then I have problems with blocking various components' IR receivers, and obviously toe them in and out, so I'll try what I can within those limitations. My listening space is so far suboptimal it's almost funny. The ground floor of my house is basically a square box. A bit less than half of it, at a guess, is taken up by the kitchen in one corner, with the rest of the space in an L around it. I have my TV and audio components against one of the kitchen walls, with a couch against the opposite wall and not much more than six or so feet away from the front of the audio component towers. Kefs sit in front of towers, on either side of 42" TV. Some way to right of couch are front door, entrance 'hall' and stairs, to left is other leg of L - some furniture, glass patio doors, etc. D'you think some sound deadening on the wall above the couch or along the stairs might help the soundstage? Any other room treatments I could try?
Welcome to the forum... :)
How far apart are they and whatt is the main listening distance between you and the speakers. Are the tweeters near ear height when sitting own?
 
bandphan

bandphan

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I'm curious about bi-amping. Would you call using two monoblocks, such as two Marantz MA-6100s or a GFA 2535 (two 535s in a single case) 'passive' bi-amping, or were you applying that just to using a single stereo power amp like the Belles?
When using a speakers internal crossover, that is passive bi-amping. You would need to go active with a unit like the Behringer cx2310 or step up to a Behringer dcx 2496 to add EQ options.
 
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pootle

Audiophyte
Welcome to the forum... :)
How far apart are they and whatt is the main listening distance between you and the speakers. Are the tweeters near ear height when sitting own?
Many thanks for the welcome and reply!

The speakers are just shy of three feet high (34.64in). Since the main drivers are 6" units I suppose the tweeters, which sit in the middle of the mid-range drivers, are at 30" from the floor or a bit lower than my ear level. The speakers are about ten feet from me and have about six feet or so between them. So far, I think having them parallel to each other gives me the best soundstage, but I'll continue to fiddle. I haven't really listened to them in a slightly toed out stance, for example.
 
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pootle

Audiophyte
When using a speakers internal crossover, that is passive bi-amping. You would need to go active with a unit like the Behringer cx2310 or step up to a Behringer dcx 2496 to add EQ options.
Thanks for the info! Forgive me for yet another noob question, the answer to which is probably obvious, given your recommendation that I use an external active x-over, but I still have to ask: does the Yammie's built-in equaliser operate at the final output stage or at the pre-amp stage? IOW, could one use it instead of the Behringer or something similar if the speakers' x-overs were disconnected? Although I suppose that would then introduce processing into the circuits at the pre-amp stage, which I'd like to avoid.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Many thanks for the welcome and reply!

The speakers are just shy of three feet high (34.64in). Since the main drivers are 6" units I suppose the tweeters, which sit in the middle of the mid-range drivers, are at 30" from the floor or a bit lower than my ear level. The speakers are about ten feet from me and have about six feet or so between them. So far, I think having them parallel to each other gives me the best soundstage, but I'll continue to fiddle. I haven't really listened to them in a slightly toed out stance, for example.
If you have adjustable feet on your speakers, adjust them so that the speaker tilts backwards away from the listening position. That may provide more treble energy getting to the listening position. Also try moving the speakers further apart and move your listening postioning somewhat closer to the speakers. The latter is easire to do..just use a kitchen chair until you find the sweet spot and then see if that listening postion puts the sofa too far out on the room for you.
 
bandphan

bandphan

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Thanks for the info! Forgive me for yet another noob question, the answer to which is probably obvious, given your recommendation that I use an external active x-over, but I still have to ask: does the Yammie's built-in equaliser operate at the final output stage or at the pre-amp stage? IOW, could one use it instead of the Behringer or something similar if the speakers' x-overs were disconnected? Although I suppose that would then introduce processing into the circuits at the pre-amp stage, which I'd like to avoid.
The yamaha would be the pre with the crossovers (yama>crossover>power amps). I'm still of the opinion that you should leave the bi-amping alone and work on the placement and or new speakers if the sound isn't suiting you. EQing with dcx2496 can help, but I believe that you have to like the sound of your speakers first. Most rely on EQ to correct room issues and not as much to "tailor" the final sound (although some do).
 

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