Potential New Hobby, 3-5K initial budget

brabus

brabus

Audioholic Intern
Greetings,

Long time lurker first time poster. I am potentially looking at getting myself into another hobby, besides cars. I have always been a fan of audio/video, but never really took the plunge. With that said, I would like to get a taste and see how I enjoy it.

I would like to start out small, perhaps a 5.1 system for an ~ 2000 cubic foot room. I would say my listening preferences are 60%/40% HT/Music. Does anyone have recommendations regarding receiver/processor/preamp, amp, speakers and sub?

Should I start with an AVR, or go to a preamp/processor amp setup?

Thanks for any help.
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
I would like to start out small, perhaps a 5.1 system for an ~ 2000 cubic foot room. I would say my listening preferences are 60%/40% HT/Music. Does anyone have recommendations regarding receiver/processor/preamp, amp, speakers and sub?

Should I start with an AVR, or go to a preamp/processor amp setup?
Welcome to AH brabus.

I'd first concentrate on choosing speakers, as speakers are where the rubber hits the road. Since you're starting out from scratch, choose the front speakers, left, center, and right, as a set. It's easier to get an even front soundstage without holes or gaps if you do that. Don't skimp on the front 3 speakers, but you can get away spending much less on the rear channel speakers. A subwoofer is also important, but don't obsess over one. The most important sound is the midrange.

Once you know the front 3 speaker choices, selecting an AVR or amp will become a lot simpler. Of primary importance is having enough power to drive them without the amplifiers going into clipping. Depending on your choice of speakers, AVRs may or may not have enough power.

You mentioned a room volume of ~2000 ft³, but you didn't mention the distance between front speakers and listeners. For deep bass, room volume is important, but above ~250 Hz, listener distance becomes more important.

Look for an AVR that has preamp output RCA jacks for the audio channels, allowing the addition of external amplifiers. That way you could use the AVR both as a preamp, and to drive several speakers. I use my AVR to drive my center and surround speakers, and use an external 2-channel amp to drive the front left & right speakers.

I find that the large makers of AVRs have all the latest audio & video features long before the stand-alone HT preamp/processors have them.
 
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AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I would plan first, then get the whole package all at once from a place like Vanns and NEGOTIATE the best deal.

For example, forum members have been able to get a whole new 5.0 package from KEF (Q900, Q600C, Q300) for $2,200 delivered, new Denon 3313 for $800.

Get an SVS PB12-Plus sub for $1400.

So about $4400 for Denon AVR, 5 KEF speakers, and 1 SVS sub.

Another route is buying a Revel F12 front, C12 center, M12 surrounds for about $2400 & Denon 3313 for $800 all from Audiolab = $3200 (deal on phone only). So total $4600 for Revel, Denon, & SVS sub. I bought my Salon2 from Audiolab.

Another option would be the Focal 814v for $800/pr x 2 pr for front L/R & Surround L/R, and Focal CC 814v for $350 for Center, total $1950. Add SVS & Denon = $4150.
http://www.accessories4less.com/index.php?page=search&search_query=Focal&x=0&y=0

Electronics Expo can also deal on Denon AVR. Call them on the Denon 3313 for about $800. See if they have any Denon 3312 for about $500-$600.
 
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ImcLoud

ImcLoud

Audioholic Ninja
If I were spending $3000-5000 on a system, it would be pretty easy to choose...

Emotiva XPA5 amp and UPA200 processor $1500 shipped
HSU VTF-2 $600 shipped
Ascend Acoustics sierra 1's with center for front 3 and 200se for surrounds $1550 shipped
Nice pair of stands $100

Then once you fall in love with that setup the upgrades are endless, add another sub for 5.2, add an XPA2 and a pair of ascend sierra towers moving your sierra 1's to the surround and your 200se's to the rear for a 7.2, then you can get the sierra Horizon center, ect ect ect... It is endless...

If you are doing this as a hobby, I would start with pro/amp system although you can get a nice avr with preouts and add an amp to it, I like matching components, and I have had some bad luck with "all in one" avr's...
 
brabus

brabus

Audioholic Intern
Thanks for all the helpful replies. I will likely ask more questions once I've purchased, as I haven't a clue on how to optmize settings etc.
 
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ratm

Audioholic
Another option for you...

Denon NR717 from A4L $499
XPA3 $599
Home Theater Direct Level 3 Towers, Center and Rears $1400
Monoprice for all my cables and wire...

For my sub, I'd have a hard time choosing between a SubM HP, a PB13 Ultra (still a beautiful sub), JTR Cap S, or even dual XS30's
 
brabus

brabus

Audioholic Intern
Welcome to AH brabus.

I'd first concentrate on choosing speakers, as speakers are where the rubber hits the road. Since you're starting out from scratch, choose the front speakers, left, center, and right, as a set. It's easier to get an even front soundstage without holes or gaps if you do that. Don't skimp on the front 3 speakers, but you can get away spending much less on the rear channel speakers. A subwoofer is also important, but don't obsess over one. The most important sound is the midrange.

Once you know the front 3 speaker choices, selecting an AVR or amp will become a lot simpler. Of primary importance is having enough power to drive them without the amplifiers going into clipping. Depending on your choice of speakers, AVRs may or may not have enough power.

You mentioned a room volume of ~2000 ft³, but you didn't mention the distance between front speakers and listeners. For deep bass, room volume is important, but above ~250 Hz, listener distance becomes more important.

Look for an AVR that has preamp output RCA jacks for the audio channels, allowing the addition of external amplifiers. That way you could use the AVR both as a preamp, and to drive several speakers. I use my AVR to drive my center and surround speakers, and use an external 2-channel amp to drive the front left & right speakers.

I find that the large makers of AVRs have all the latest audio & video features long before the stand-alone HT preamp/processors have them.
The more research I do the less confident I am in making a decision. I think I want a set of speakers that will be loud without distortion (who doesn't?), would be able to stand on their own without the need for a sub, (though I will be purchasing a sub), have clear, airy highs; a solid mid range, and an excellent sound stage.

I listen to a lot of electronic music, but also enjoy classic rock such as Led Zeppelin, Clapton, The Who, and on occasion, thoroughly enjoy jazz and blues.

We have a Panasonic TC-P65VT currently; viewing/listening distance is about 7 feet.

Regarding pre/proc/avr, I may need to up my budget as I'm not sure that an AVR alone would provide enough power? I'm an IT guy, so I definitely want network connectivity etc. I have a 22TB storage network in my basement that holds a collection of movies, videos and music and currently stream that content to multiple rooms.

I really don't want to spend the time in auditioning 10 different sets of speakers in my home, if that would even be possible as I really don't have the time.

I guess this is more of a frustrated rant than a question, all apologies.
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
The more research I do the less confident I am in making a decision. I think I want a set of speakers that will be loud without distortion (who doesn't?), would be able to stand on their own without the need for a sub, (though I will be purchasing a sub), have clear, airy highs; a solid mid range, and an excellent sound stage.

I listen to a lot of electronic music, but also enjoy classic rock such as Led Zeppelin, Clapton, The Who, and on occasion, thoroughly enjoy jazz and blues.

We have a Panasonic TC-P65VT currently; viewing/listening distance is about 7 feet.

Regarding pre/proc/avr, I may need to up my budget as I'm not sure that an AVR alone would provide enough power? I'm an IT guy, so I definitely want network connectivity etc. I have a 22TB storage network in my basement that holds a collection of movies, videos and music and currently stream that content to multiple rooms.

I really don't want to spend the time in auditioning 10 different sets of speakers in my home, if that would even be possible as I really don't have the time.

I guess this is more of a frustrated rant than a question, all apologies.
With people new to audio, the more they read online, the more they can become paralyzed by all the stuff they read.

First, you ought to choose a price range for speakers. For starters, consider prices for the left/right front pair of speakers. Bring (or burn) a few CDs of music you are familiar with, and spend an afternoon in an audio/video store. You may not find the speakers for you on the first day, but you will probably find a price range your ears and wallet can live with. As a suggestion, start with $500/pair, 1000/pair, etc. up to about $2000/pair. Once you have a price range for speakers, you can ask here for more suggestions.

You probably have read that you should listen to speakers in your own home. Yes, you should ultimately, but you don't have to start out doing that. One afternoon in a store or two can get you started quickly. Your room dimensions and the location of the speakers in your room will have the greatest effect on bass, ~250 Hz and lower. But in a store, you will get a good idea of a speaker's midrange sound. Understand that there are quite a few different speaker makers around, but you may find only a few brands in local stores. So listen, and get some initial ideas.

Most recently made AVRs will have better networking abilities than separate preamp/proccesors. The larger makers of AVRs (Denon, Yamaha, Onkyo, Marantz, Pioneer) produce new models much more often, so they can be expected to have the latest bells & whistles. And now, newer TVs and Blue Ray players can stream directly from a wireless modem.

I'd look for an AVR with streaming or networking hookups, and with HDMI jacks for digital AV signals from a Blue Ray player. Those features are common now in AVRs, but few if any preamp/processors have all that. As long as you choose an AVR with 5 or 7 channels of preamp output RCA jacks, you can always add an external amp at a later time.
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
A number of years ago, I wrote a way to go about auditioning new speakers. I just dug it up. Unfortunately, I wrote this nearly 10 years ago. Since then many small audio shops and big chain stores have closed. Good luck finding a place where you can listen to several different speakers.

When shopping for speakers there is no substitute for your own listening experience. There are a whole lot of different speaker manufacturers out there. At any one store you may find only a few of these to listen to. So looking for specific makes and models recommended by others can be frustrating if you can’t find them. Instead of recommending specific speakers to newcomers, here is a method to use in auditioning and selecting speakers on your own.

  • Find a store that encourages you to listen, by providing a variety of speakers in quiet listening rooms. Large chains may not be the best places for that, but they may be the only stores available. Don't be intimidated by fears of high prices and snobbish pretensions. If the store and its salesmen have any sense they will want your business.
  • Listen to a variety of speakers, but pick a price range and stay within it.
  • Be aware of the size of the room where you plan to put the sound system. Ultimately, after you have narrowed down your choices to a couple of different speakers, you may want to hear them in your home.
  • Bring along several of your own CDs that you are familiar with to play when auditioning the speakers. Be sure to include some music that has relatively quiet passages with voice or single instruments, such as piano or guitar. It is often more revealing to hear how a speaker succeeds or fails with un-amplified single instruments or voices than it is to listen to music packed with sound such as amplified rock or a symphony orchestra playing at full tilt.
    • Listen at both low and high volumes. If you like a speaker when its loud, do you still like it when the volume is low?
    • Listen to a male voice, such as a radio announcer. Does it sound normal or boomy? Many less expensive speakers deliberately exaggerate the mid bass region to make up for an otherwise weak bass sound. Listening to a male voice can reveal this.
  • Find the sweet spot where the sound from left and right speakers merges into one "soundstage" and listen carefully. Is the sweet spot narrow or wide? Walk around the room to listen from a number of different angles. How wide is the dispersion of the midrange and higher frequencies? A quick and easy method to assess dispersion is to listen to pink noise or inter-station noise on an FM tuner and walk around the room. As you get further away from directly in front of a speaker, it will lose some of it upper frequencies. You should hear a change in the tone as this happens.
  • Two speakers in stereo, with a wide sweet spot and wide sound dispersion can create the illusion that the source of the sound is in the room, not coming out of the speaker boxes. Look for this ability to create sound images.
  • Be prepared to spend more than 5 or 10 minutes listening to each speaker you try. Sometimes, your initial impression changes after 15 to 30 minutes more listening. Some speakers immediately grab your attention and seem to sound great at first, but become tiring to listen to (listener fatigue) for longer times.
  • Bring a friend. I have found that the next day I remember better what I liked and why if I have someone along to talk it over with. If you're alone, bring a pad of paper and take notes.
  • Take your time until you know what you prefer. There are enough different speakers made to suit many different tastes. Only you know what your taste is.
 
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twoeyedbob

Audioholic
Another option...
Get on the internet,find..say ..ten spkrs..that are
A .a recognized or favoured brand
B.going for a bargain price
C.that seem to suit your need's
Make a note of all model number's etc

Then go looking for reviews
If you cant find a review...dump it
If you only find one review ..dump it

Aim to find something that's only had 5 star/above 90% reviews and plenty of them
Simple

Ideally i'd love to go looking for demo's,
But there are too many variable's (room size,different equipment to name but a few )and not enough dealers
To make it feasible

If i lived near a large city with numerous dealers this maybe wouldnt be an issue

Sent from my HTC Vision using Tapatalk 2
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
If you are new you might start out with that Pioneer set add a nice SVS sub, a nice receiver and see if that fulfills you.

That setup will be better than most of the population.
 
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