alright, well... enough said... I don't think I will ever be able to beat quality at this price anyway, so I pulled the trigger on this emotiva:
http://emotiva.com/ultra_sub12.shtm
it's a new brand, seems fairly highly regarded and the sub being on sale +free shipping really makes this a good deal in my opinion.
Plus I need a more music friendly sub and whatever HT performance I get out of it will be better then no sub. Will let u know what I think when I get it.