Please can someone answer what maybe a stupid question?

[clouso]

There is no need for the midrange to vibrate for it to work. We are talking
about the upper frequency level - above the bass notes. If there is no hole
in the frequency response - then you are fine.

markw maybe your right....but no one as answered me yet...is the cone on my mid speaker center chane suposel to vibrate or move at all?????....cause if its suppose to move or vibrate i will go see my dealer...

 

[zieglj01]

yes i hear a perfect sound when i put my ear there..lmao...why the hell does the cones on my 60's voves and vibrates while on the center channel it dont?...

The midrange on the 60's - has to handle more of the frequency
response, and needs more power. The 60 is a 2 1/2 way speaker.

 

[clouso]

The midrange on the 60's - has to handle more of the frequency
response, and needs more power. The 60 is a 2 1/2 way speaker.

were talking about the center channel here my friend...cc-590 v5....not the 60's.....cause the 60's are working very well...

 

[clouso]

you know what i will call my friend at paradigm tomorrow morning and i will get back to you all with that or maybe i will just call my dealer who is very close with paragigm.......have a good night all...''still wondering why the cone on his center channel isnt moving at all''

 

[dkane360]

you wont be able to see it visually move. if sound comes out of every driver, it is fine.

 

[Islewind]

Movement of midrange drivers is very often imperceptible. Smaller mids crossed over higher especially wouldn't move in a way that can be easily seen, though you typically can feel it with a very light touch on the driver. (and the cone IS the driver). If you want to test it without test tones or tracks, hook it up in place of one of your fronts, play some music in mono mode, and give that a listen.

 

[clouso]

Movement of midrange drivers is very often imperceptible. Smaller mids crossed over higher especially wouldn't move in a way that can be easily seen, though you typically can feel it with a very light touch on the driver. (and the cone IS the driver). If you want to test it without test tones or tracks, hook it up in place of one of your fronts, play some music in mono mode, and give that a listen.

maybe your right and i know what your talking about but im talking about the cone of the center channel mid range speaker..lol...can someone make the difference between the speaker and the cone??...the cone is part of the speaker and if it doesnt move or vibrate at all to me its a malfunction...again maybe im wrong!...thx to you all for trying to understand and help me...its appreciated!

 

[3db]

maybe your right and i know what your talking about but im talking about the cone of the center channel mid range speaker..lol...can someone make the difference between the speaker and the cone??...the cone is part of the speaker and if it doesnt move or vibrate at all to me its a malfunction...again maybe im wrong!...thx to you all for trying to understand and help me...its appreciated!

I wondering if you are confusing the driver with the dust cap. Look at the diagram and then tell us what you are referring too.

 

[clouso]

One thing i forgot to mention and say is that the cones on paradigms reference speakers are very rigid...and i noticed that even the bass drivers on my 60's v5 needs a lot of power to play loud!..does that have something to do with it maybe?...is my av receiver not powerfull enough?...pioneer vsx-92 thx...130 watts per channels..??

 

[dkane360]

maybe your right and i know what your talking about but im talking about the cone of the center channel mid range speaker..lol...can someone make the difference between the speaker and the cone??...the cone is part of the speaker and if it doesnt move or vibrate at all to me its a malfunction...again maybe im wrong!...thx to you all for trying to understand and help me...its appreciated!

Are you talking about the very center of the speaker? The gold part? It may be a phase plug, which IIRC isnt supposed to move.

 

[TLS Guy]

ok .im waiting on jerry love and you know that other guy i dont remember his name...anyways.....with all what they talked about i think they can answer me...WHY THE HELL MY CENTER CHANEL'S CONE DONT VIBRATE AND VOVE AT ALL??..''....but yes the speaker itself sounds great!

It does VOVE, but with rapid Voving movements too small for your Eyebolds to see.

That cone only Voves at rates above 400 times per second and your eyebolds can not see that small a vovement. But since your hear the speaker the rapid small voevements are making sounds you are hearing when doing a bendy down with your ear in the center chanel cone.

 

[3db]

I'm trying to figure out what part of the driver he's reffering to as he keeps contradicitng himself, hence the driver diagram in my previous post.

 

[clouso]

Are you talking about the very center of the speaker? The gold part? It may be a phase plug, which IIRC isnt supposed to move.

yes the gold part or you know the part that is pointing out i dont feel like searching the right terms right now but i think you all are bright enough to understand what i mean!.....lmao.why do i feel it when i touch it on the fronts and not on the center channel...that is my question...when i touch it while i play even loud volumes it doesnt move or vibrate at all but around it the speaker plays and vibrates!!..while on the fronts that same part vibrates and moves!

 

[TLS Guy]

yes the gold part or you know the part that is pointing out i dont feel like searching the right terms right now but i think you all are bright enough to understand what i mean!.....lmao.why do i feel it when i touch it on the fronts and not on the center channel...that is my question...when i touch it while i play even loud volumes it doesnt move or vibrate at all but around it the speaker plays and vibrates!!..while on the fronts that same part vibrates and moves!

The point bit on the mid is a phase plug and is fixed, no movement. The bass drivers have dust caps that move with the cones.

 

[JerryLove]

Paradigm does use phase plugs on their mid-ranges, and the phase plug will not vibrate.

The CC-590 and 60 use similar bass and treble drivers, but different midranges.

The bass drivers on both should vibrate to the touch when powered.
The tweeters... well, I've never considered touching those. Sounds like a bad idea.

The midrange on a Studio 60v3 does vibrate to the touch under moderate loads: but I suspect the crossover from mid to bass is set lower on the 60 than the 590.

I don't know if vibration would be tactile at some arbitrary level from the midrange on the 590.

Run test tones. If the tones match between the center and sides, and if you are not experiencing problems with center-channel sound quality: I would not worry about it.

If you hook up a computer to your AVR you should also have the option to run sweeps (some auto-calibration software like audessy does this as well). If there's a problem with a driver not firing, you'll hear a portion of the sweep go quiet somwhere just above the middle.

 

[JerryLove]

yes the gold part or you know the part that is pointing out i dont feel like searching the right terms right now but i think you all are bright enough to understand what i mean!.....lmao.why do i feel it when i touch it on the fronts and not on the center channel...that is my question...when i touch it while i play even loud volumes it doesnt move or vibrate at all but around it the speaker plays and vibrates!!..while on the fronts that same part vibrates and moves!

The phase plug (the bullet shaped thing).

That is attached to the speaker basket. It does not move to make sound, though vibrations of the speaker enclosure would transfer to it.

It's likely that the Studio 60s simply vibrate more than your 590. They are larger speakers and generally tasked with more LF sound.

 

[clouso]

sorry i dont know all the right terms since english isnt my first language ..but i appreciate greatly all the help you guys are providing...im trying my best..

 

[3db]

Phase plugs are not suppose to move according to the link below


http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_12_2/paradigm-reference-20-470-speakers-5-2005.html


http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:zsjdAufrNuYJ:phet.colorado.edu/files/activities/3250/Demonstrating%20the%20principle%20of%20phase%20plugs%20used%20in%20loudspeakers%20by%20Wave%20Interference.pdf+speaker+phase+plug+movement&hl=en&gl=ca&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgbB6w_G0MNb4-byXI8YhN5pV-0MyTF7AA_ruSWEPLDd5cOrke5LTSFKXrcrvlupEDJChB2TPFDJ79vgb-HQSzR8OeOJeFcXZF4qEarGXi4zSboEU0Uccg3rpJTcpB4puWsX0CT&sig=AHIEtbRAnc4nDPBCPigf05r8jy_X2J4Ptw

 

[clouso]

Thx Jerry now i think i get it..im no expert and trying to learn you know but i was worried about the fact that the same part was vibrating and moving on the 60's but not on the center channel...but now i get it about what you explained to me...thx a lot...i knew in fact there was nothing wrong cause the center chanel sounds just awesome...

 

[clouso]

And thx to ALL!...that tried to help me understand!...when i say all its all!...im loving this forum and the help i can get here and advices!...