Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

Audioholic Ninja
As far as pq, the plasma is going to be better. I'd even go so far as to say a 720p plasma will look better than a 1080p LCD. I've got a Samsung 5044 720p 50" plasma that looks stunning. My 46" Aquos 1080p has a very, very good picture and is great in a brightly lit room. There are disadvantages though, to both. Here are a few I see with my sets:

Plasma:
1) You should run the break in DVD for 250 hours to harden up the pixels. That's a pain in the neck, but a necessary evil many recommend. The first few hundred hours are when the pixels burn their brightest, so be forewarned. I did it with mine, and run a pretty high contrast and sharpness level, with no ill effects of IR or burn in. Others haven't been so lucky. Don't question it, just do it.

2) You have to be careful about "torch mode" even after the break in period. So many people have logos burned into their plasma's because they've taken full advantage of the outstanding contrast levels on these sets. Do not run a plasma in "torch mode", aka dynamic mode with a logo or ticker running for more than 15 minutes. Image retention can turn to burn in quickly when a static image is displayed for hours upon hours. This can be an issue for sports fans who watch a lot of ESPN. You can tone down the contrast/brightness levels, but it defeats the purpose of why you bought plasma in the first place.

3) Most plasmas have a "buzz" that drives people nuts. My Samsung is silent, but I know the Pioneers have it. Some worse than others. Make sure you demo these sets before purchasing and can live with that slight buzz.

4) Weight. These things are heavy. Twice as heavy as a similar sized LCD. If access to the back of the set is difficult, an LCD would be easier to turn.

5) Heat. Plasma's put out a lot of heat compared to LCD's. They also consume twice the electricity. Keep it well ventilated.

6) High elevation. If you live in extremely high elevations, don't buy a plasma.

Here's two owner reviews on Pioneer's latest and greatest 50" Elite Pro 110FD Kuro:
www.amazon.com/review/product/B000W3I0UM/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?_encoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1


LCD:
1) Soft picture. After looking at a properly set up plasma, you'll say your LCD is a bit softer. With BD and HD DVD, I can get away with high contrast and sharpness levels and no digital noise reduction for a pristine picture, but need to back it down on sd feeds. Most 720p plasma's have better pictures than the newest 1080p LCD's when properly set up.

2) Motion blur. Every LCD has it. Even mine at 4ms. If you want a razor sharp picture without DNR, expect pixelation and motion blur. It's horrible with basketball. But, turn on the DNR or fast motion setting, and it all but disappears (as does the crisp picture). This is the biggest downfall regarding LCD's - especially if you're a sports fanatic.

3) Color banding. This is more of an issue with the Aquos LCD line, but I can see it on my Acer PC monitor, Dell laptop, Olevia LCD, so I think it's more prone to LCD's than plasma's. It's not a big issue. You may see it less than 1% of the time, but when you see it, you'll know. Certain colors don't fade smoothly on a bright background.

4) Black levels. Some of the newer sets have outstanding black levels. My Aquos is excellent, but still "gray" in comparison to my plasma. If you don't compare the two side by side, it's not an issue. But when you do, you'll pick the plasma. Excellent black levels make a flat screen, and plasma trounces LCD in this area.
 
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Duffinator

Duffinator

Audioholic Field Marshall
Thanks for the link, that's a great read and clearly Pioneer has raised the bar on the best picture available again. Keep in mind that the Elite Kuro tested is 33% more expensive ($1,500) than the Samsung at retail pricing. I've viewed that Samsung and it's got an amazing picture. I have not seen the new Kuro sets yet but will make it a point to do so.

Link to Pioneer set tested.

Link to Samsung set tested.

Does anybody know what the big differences are between the Kuro and Elite Kuro sets? There's a $1,000 price difference between the two, is the Elite that much better?
 
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The Dukester

Audioholic Chief
Does anybody know what the big differences are between the Kuro and Elite Kuro sets? There's a $1,000 price difference between the two, is the Elite that much better?
Duff, I'm not sure about the Kuros, but when I called Pioneer just over a year ago asking that very thing (I was looking at the 5070 vs it's Elite counterpart) I was told the main difference besides the aesthetics are the two year warranty and features. The Elites have near infinite picture/calibration adjustments that the standard line does not. I specifically asked about the electronics and glass. They used the same glass, but the electronics were (in their words) slightly different.

You can call their CS line and ask for yourself. If you don't want to talk to their first tier techs that usually read from the printed material in front of them, ask for the plasma line tech supervisor. I did and got much more detailed info.
1 800 421-1404 M-F 9-7:30 EST

Now back to our regularly scheduled thread:)
 
Duffinator

Duffinator

Audioholic Field Marshall
Duff, I'm not sure about the Kuros, but when I called Pioneer just over a year ago asking that very thing (I was looking at the 5070 vs it's Elite counterpart) I was told the main difference besides the aesthetics are the two year warranty and features. The Elites have near infinite picture/calibration adjustments that the standard line does not. I specifically asked about the electronics and glass. They used the same glass, but the electronics were (in their words) slightly different.

You can call their CS line and ask for yourself. If you don't want to talk to their first tier techs that usually read from the printed material in front of them, ask for the plasma line tech supervisor. I did and got much more detailed info.
1 800 421-1404 M-F 9-7:30 EST

Now back to our regularly scheduled thread:)
Thanks. It really doesn't matter since the Elite with the speakers on the sides won't fit into my space and I want speakers on the TV to use when I don't have the HT turned on. But I'd still like to know what the differences are.
 
bandphan

bandphan

Banned
Thanks for the link, that's a great read and clearly Pioneer has raised the bar on the best picture available again. Keep in mind that the Elite Kuro tested is 33% more expensive ($1,500) than the Samsung at retail pricing. I've viewed that Samsung and it's got an amazing picture. I have not seen the new Kuro sets yet but will make it a point to do so.

Link to Pioneer set tested.

Link to Samsung set tested.

Does anybody know what the big differences are between the Kuro and Elite Kuro sets? There's a $1,000 price difference between the two, is the Elite that much better?
YES
installed a 768p kuro saturday and WOW, feel like i can crawl into the set looks so real. (sd pics look good also, feed by tivo-s3hd, and no video calibration yet) besides finish, video features are upgraded.
 
skads_187

skads_187

Audioholic
I was asking myself the same question, lcd or plasma. Until I went to a local store, they were playing sports, side by side, lcd and plasma. I was extremely impressed with the plasma. Its too bad though, I might end up getting a 46" lcd aquos. The 50" panasonic plasma 1080p is still a bit too expensive. Eventually I would definetely want to get one though
 
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Giuseppe

Junior Audioholic
Plasmas are heavier, generate more heat, and are more expensive. The PQ might be a bit better, but I think deep down, everyone knows that LCD is the way of the future. The half life is better, they are cheaper, have better resolution, are more energy effecient, etc. That is my take on it.
 
Hi Ho

Hi Ho

Audioholic Samurai
The half life is better, they are cheaper, have better resolution,
The half life of plasma and LCD is just about equal. Plasmas are still cheaper in larger screen sizes. LCD's don't have better resolution than plasma. Both come in 720p or 1080p resolution.

As far as picture quality is concerned, LCD has a long way to go before I would consider it as a primary display for my house.
 
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MDS

Audioholic Spartan
As far as picture quality is concerned, LCD has a long way to go before I would consider it as a primary display for my house.
Yeah, the really picky types will give the edge to Plasma. :D

I'm not quite so picky although I do expect a good quality image. I think the differences are so neglibible that it just doesn't matter and you should choose between the two based on other factors.
 
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shaolinmonk

Audiophyte
Burn In DVD

Where can i get this Burn In DVD that Buckeye has mentioned above?
 
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