Pioneer VSX-815 and Samsung TV

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jimcansler

Audiophyte
Please help....I just bought the Pioneer VSX-815 and can't program the remote to work with my Samsung HL-R4266W. All I really want to do is to be able to turn my TV on, control volume, and change channels. Does this receiver not work with Samsung TV's? I can't find the Samsung option when programming the remote.

Thanks,

Jim
 
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MDS

Audioholic Spartan
If there is no code for the Samsung then it won't work. Even if it does have a code for Samsung, there is no guarantee that it will work properly for every function or even any at all. I'll save the explanation of how pre-programmed remotes and IR actually works unless someone wants further explanation. [You will be surprised at how simple the 'magic' really is].

Your best bet is a good universal remote that can learn any IR from any remote. If the Pioneer remote is learning capable, you might be able to use it to learn from the Samsung remote but the downside is that the learning remotes supplied with receivers are usually very limited in the amount of memory they have for learned codes.
 
jcPanny

jcPanny

Audioholic Ninja
Harmony remotes

Consider purchasing one of the entry level Harmany remotes. For about $100, they allow you to download the codes off the web for all your devices. Their macros allow you to easily setup activities like "watch TV" to setup your TV, Receiver, cable box and other devices with a single button.

The remotes that come with entry level receivers like yours are not usually that great.
 
Hi Ho

Hi Ho

Audioholic Samurai
I'll save the explanation of how pre-programmed remotes and IR actually works unless someone wants further explanation. [You will be surprised at how simple the 'magic' really is].
I have always wondered about this. Would you mind enlightening me?

I would also recommend a Harmony remote. I love mine.
 
jcPanny

jcPanny

Audioholic Ninja
Preprogrammed IR codes

Basically, each manufacturer has one or more sets of IR codes for controlling their devices. There is a sequence of 1s and 0s for volume up, volume down, channel up, power, etc.

The remote has this information preprogrammed, so you idetify wich set of codes (which manufacturer) it should use and it will work.

A web based system like the Harmany remotes works great, because they have 100's of thousands of codes that can be downloaded, rather than a few hundred common codes.
 
M

MDS

Audioholic Spartan
The remote control codes are just a set of numbers with one number assigned to each function of the device. How those numbers get sent to the device and in what format depends on the protocol in use.

The most widely used protocol is NEC1 (now superseded by NEC2 which is backwards compatable with NEC1). There are of course dozens of others, but the principle is the same - it's just a sequence of numbers sent on an IR carrier frequency.

With NEC1/2, the first number sent is a unique bit pattern that basically tells the device 'Get Ready - a command is coming'.

The next set of numbers are a 'device code' and 'subdevice code'. Every manufacturer has a device code and each of their components has a subdevice code; eg. Onkyo's device code is 210 and the subdevice code for the receiver is 109. If the receiver sees 210, it knows the following command should be for an Onkyo component. If the next number it sees is 109, it knows the command is for itself. If it doesn't recognize the device code, it will ignore everything that follows. If it recognizes the device code, but the subdevice code is not for itself, then it will either ignore what follows or pass it along to another device that is connected via its IR Out jack or another proprietary scheme like Onkyo's Remote Interactive jack.

The number that follows all of that is the actual number for the function you are asking it to perform; eg 183 for Volume Up and 187 for Volume Down for Onkyo.

A pre-programmed remote has a table that stores all of that information. You access the correct table by punching in the 'setup code'. So on a URC All-for-One remote control, when you enter setup code 135 it retrieves the details that say the protocol is NEC1, the device code is 210, the subdevice code is 109, and all of the other numbers for the functions the device can perform. A different brand remote may have the same details but use a different setup code.

The catch is that manufacturers sometimes change things around. That's why there is no guarantee that the code table in the remote will work for any particular device even if a code is listed. Sticking with Onkyo as an example because that is what I own and what I am most familiar with - newer receivers have discrete power codes (separate number for on and off instead of one number that toggles the state). BUT, the code for On is the same as the old code for power toggle. So an older universal remote with codes for Power Toggle will turn the receiver On, but not Off!

Pre-programmed remotes may be convenient for setup, but you sometimes run into those types of little problems. Harmony's approach is to constantly upgrade their database to help alleviate those problems, but I still prefer to learn every command from the original remote.
 
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jimcansler

Audiophyte
Does anyone know if there is another TV manufacturer that I can substitute for Samsung that uses the same IR codes?
 
Hi Ho

Hi Ho

Audioholic Samurai
You don't need a new TV. You need an IR repeater system like THIS.
 
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