Pioneer VSX-1020 Receiver EQ for Music TV shows

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cwygky

Audiophyte
Hi Audioholics,

I've been incredibly impressed with your knowledge base on these forums (and a little overwhelmed by how complicated audio can be).

We have the Pioneer VSX-1020 K and we're having some trouble setting the EQ to make the speakers sound their best with music on TV like American Idol or Glee. The problem we're having is that no matter what we seem to do, from the advanced MCACC setups to trying to tinker with EQ levels manually, the audio just doesn't sound right. The lead vocals are often too pronounced with the background singers and band sounding muddled or parts of it lost, and then sometimes the leads don't stand out at all. Every once in awhile we get it perfect, but then for whatever reason those settings are lost when we try to optimize for a different show or something.

We've spent hours upon hours doing the MCACC tests and searching the internet to glean a basic understanding of what the levels do and what's affected by the different EQ levels. Everything we find is just so techie and above our heads, all we really want is the ability to watch these shows with no audio distractions and full audio enhancement. Is that so much to ask?

What we're looking for is someone to point us to some sort of simple chart or explanation of what the different EQ levels do and how to balance them for best results.

For reference - we've got a TiVo, Blu-Ray and projector set-up.

Thanks!
 
WaynePflughaupt

WaynePflughaupt

Audioholic Samurai
Are there any manual EQ settings available? If so, what are the available frequencies?

Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt
 
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cwygky

Audiophyte
"Are there any manual EQ settings available? If so, what are the available frequencies?"

I think this is what you're asking for...right?
63
125
250
500
1k
2k
4k
8k
16k
Trim
 
WaynePflughaupt

WaynePflughaupt

Audioholic Samurai
Yes, that’s what I’m looking for.

The lead vocals are often too pronounced with the background singers and band sounding muddled or parts of it lost, and then sometimes the leads don't stand out at all.
You have to understand that every program is mixed and equalized differently. You’re never going to be able to make everything sound perfect every time. That said:


We've spent hours upon hours doing the MCACC tests and searching the internet to glean a basic understanding of what the levels do and what's affected by the different EQ levels.

What we're looking for is someone to point us to some sort of simple chart or explanation of what the different EQ levels do and how to balance them for best results.
63 – Low bass. You don’t want much of this in the center channel – it’s supposed to be high passed at 80-90 Hz anyway. If things sound boomy or muddy, try reducing here. A typical male voice in its natural state (like if it was in the room with you) does not have any booming or resonating bass “undertones.” If that’s what you’re hearing, reduce this one.

125 – Mid bass. Again, too much here can make things sound muddy.

250 - Upper bass / low midrange. If voices sound unnaturally thin, increase. If they sound thick, reduce.

500 – Midrange. Not often you’ll find problems in this range.

1k – Midrange. Kind of the “presence” of a voice. Too much and a voice can sound “honky.” Too little and it can sound “dark.”

2k – Upper midrange. Increasing here can give voices an “edge” to make them cut through a mix better. However, if the voice sounds harsh or grating, try reducing here.

4k – Lower high freq. This will affect the lower frequencies of a voice’s sibilants. Sound effects like glass shattering are also in this range.

8k – High freq. Will affect the upper frequencies of a voice’s sibilants. If the “s” and “t” etc. sounds are muffled or exaggerated, 8 and 4k are the adjustments to play with.

16k – Ultra high freq. Typically nothing is needed this high.

What you might do is experiment by running each adjustment both to the max and minimum, one at a time, to get a feel for the frequency range it affects.

Another experiment, boost each adjustment one at a time and listen to the results. If a small adjustment gets a significant change in tone, then that might mean that area is too hot. Try cutting that one back to a negative dB setting.

If boosting an adjustment gets very little change in tone, that might mean that area is deficient or lacking. Try leaving that one boosted a few dB.


Also, sometimes it helps to just turn the center channel up a couple dB hotter than the other speakers.

Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt
 
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cwygky

Audiophyte
Thank you so much for your help, this has been a tremendous help. We are already seeing a great improvement in the sound quality.

This is prompting a further question about what plays out of what speaker and if each of our 5 speakers should be set the same (I doubt this) or if the center should have one setting, the FL and FR a second (but the same) and the BL and BR a third (but the same) settings. Also, should the back speakers be set as loud as the front 3?
 
DTV TiVo Dealer

DTV TiVo Dealer

Audioholic
Excellent post by Wayne. Very helpful to everyone.

Much thanks!

-Robert
 
WaynePflughaupt

WaynePflughaupt

Audioholic Samurai
Thanks for the kind words, folks. :)

This is prompting a further question about what plays out of what speaker and if each of our 5 speakers should be set the same (I doubt this) or if the center should have one setting, the FL and FR a second (but the same) and the BL and BR a third (but the same) settings.
I don’t see any problems separately equalizing the speakers, if it’s needed. After all, often they are not identical speakers. And even if they are, each will end up displaying slightly different response, due to placement, proximity, etc.

Also, should the back speakers be set as loud as the front 3?
Technically, all 5 (or 7) speakers should be the same volume. However, I often keep my center channel a couple dB hotter, to better hear the dialog during action flicks.

Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt
 
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RolfB

Audiophyte
VSX1020 - how to get to equalizer

I got the 1020 a couple of weeks ago. Could anybody help me to get into the equalizer setup? It must be me overlooking something. There seems to be nothing in the manual and my hope is to "break into it" via the iPhone remote. There must be another way. Help!! Anybody.
Thanks in advance.
 
Tarub

Tarub

Senior Audioholic
I got the 1020 a couple of weeks ago. Could anybody help me to get into the equalizer setup? It must be me overlooking something. There seems to be nothing in the manual and my hope is to "break into it" via the iPhone remote. There must be another way. Help!! Anybody.
Thanks in advance.
The MCACC should do the automatic EQ setup. If you are not happy with the auto setup you can go to Manual MCACC setup menu go to EQ setup.
 
Tarub

Tarub

Senior Audioholic
Hi Audioholics,

I've been incredibly impressed with your knowledge base on these forums (and a little overwhelmed by how complicated audio can be).

We have the Pioneer VSX-1020 K and we're having some trouble setting the EQ to make the speakers sound their best with music on TV like American Idol or Glee. The problem we're having is that no matter what we seem to do, from the advanced MCACC setups to trying to tinker with EQ levels manually, the audio just doesn't sound right. The lead vocals are often too pronounced with the background singers and band sounding muddled or parts of it lost, and then sometimes the leads don't stand out at all. Every once in awhile we get it perfect, but then for whatever reason those settings are lost when we try to optimize for a different show or something.

We've spent hours upon hours doing the MCACC tests and searching the internet to glean a basic understanding of what the levels do and what's affected by the different EQ levels. Everything we find is just so techie and above our heads, all we really want is the ability to watch these shows with no audio distractions and full audio enhancement. Is that so much to ask?

What we're looking for is someone to point us to some sort of simple chart or explanation of what the different EQ levels do and how to balance them for best results.

For reference - we've got a TiVo, Blu-Ray and projector set-up.

Thanks!
Im just wondering if you have the same problem on a different source. Like playing a concert dvd on your Blu-ray player.
 
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zornie

Audiophyte
Hi everyone,
This was very informative and helpful. I still have a question though: what about the "trim" option that pioneer receivers have in addition to frequencies in the equalizer settings? Can somebody please explain what it is for and how to set it?
Thanks


Yes, that’s what I’m looking for.

You have to understand that every program is mixed and equalized differently. You’re never going to be able to make everything sound perfect every time. That said:




63 – Low bass. You don’t want much of this in the center channel – it’s supposed to be high passed at 80-90 Hz anyway. If things sound boomy or muddy, try reducing here. A typical male voice in its natural state (like if it was in the room with you) does not have any booming or resonating bass “undertones.” If that’s what you’re hearing, reduce this one.

125 – Mid bass. Again, too much here can make things sound muddy.

250 - Upper bass / low midrange. If voices sound unnaturally thin, increase. If they sound thick, reduce.

500 – Midrange. Not often you’ll find problems in this range.

1k – Midrange. Kind of the “presence” of a voice. Too much and a voice can sound “honky.” Too little and it can sound “dark.”

2k – Upper midrange. Increasing here can give voices an “edge” to make them cut through a mix better. However, if the voice sounds harsh or grating, try reducing here.

4k – Lower high freq. This will affect the lower frequencies of a voice’s sibilants. Sound effects like glass shattering are also in this range.

8k – High freq. Will affect the upper frequencies of a voice’s sibilants. If the “s” and “t” etc. sounds are muffled or exaggerated, 8 and 4k are the adjustments to play with.

16k – Ultra high freq. Typically nothing is needed this high.

What you might do is experiment by running each adjustment both to the max and minimum, one at a time, to get a feel for the frequency range it affects.

Another experiment, boost each adjustment one at a time and listen to the results. If a small adjustment gets a significant change in tone, then that might mean that area is too hot. Try cutting that one back to a negative dB setting.

If boosting an adjustment gets very little change in tone, that might mean that area is deficient or lacking. Try leaving that one boosted a few dB.


Also, sometimes it helps to just turn the center channel up a couple dB hotter than the other speakers.

Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt
 
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WaynePflughaupt

WaynePflughaupt

Audioholic Samurai
Probably the +/- adjustment (boost or cut) for the EQ settings. If so, it’ll work for each frequency setting.

Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt
 
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