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eracer001

Audiophyte
I've narrowed it down to 2 recievers I'm debating on purchasing, and I need some help. The Onkyo TX-SR607 and the Pioneer VSX-1019AH-K. Below are the specs... which one should I get and why? I'll be using the Take Energy Classic 5.1 speakers, and I need to power my Fios DVR, PS3, DVD, and possibly HTPC. Thanks for the feedback. I really appreciate it!

VSX-1019AH-K
120 Watts x 7
PHAT II @ 1 kHz
USB input for iPhone and iPod certified playback.
Charging and Album art in 1st room and 2nd room.
iPod Zone 2 w/ OSD.
Full Color GUI / OSD
Advanced MCACC 9 Band EQ Symmetric EQ X-Curve PQLS
2 Channel Auto Level Control
Multi-Channel Sound Retriever
Multi- channel Neural THX / WMA-9 Pro Kuro Link
Analog to HDMI Up-conversion
PureCinema Video Processing
3D Noise Reduction
3D Y/C Separation Audio Inputs (4 in / 1out - includes Tuner)
Digital Inputs (3 - 1 coax / 2 opt)
HDMI Repeater (4 In / 1 out)
Faroudja I080p Video Scaler
analog Digital Inputs (4 - 2 coax / 2opt)
New Preset Glow Remote Control

Onkyo TX-SR607
90 Watts per Channel at 8 Ohms, 20 Hz–20 kHz, 0.08%,2 Channels Driven, FTC; 105 Watts per Channel at 8 Ohms, 1 kHz, 0.7%, 2 Channels Driven, FTC; 110 Watts per Channel at 6 Ohms, 1 kHz, 0.1%, 2 Channels Driven, FTC
HDMI™ Version 1.3a to Support Deep Color™, x.v.Color™, LipSync, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD Master Audio, DVD-Audio, Super Audio CD, and CEC
Audio and 1080p Video Processing via HDMI (1 Front/5 Rear Inputs and 1 Output)
Deinterlacer with Faroudja DCDi Edge™ (Directional Correlational Deinterlacing) Technology
HDTV-Capable (720p/1080i) Component Video Switching (2 Inputs and 1 Output)
 
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rnatalli

Audioholic Ninja
Both are good units, but I'd have to lean towards the Onkyo. Pioneer typically overrates their amp section whereas Onkyo will get closer to its stated power specs. The Onkyo also comes with Audyssey which is a nice feature. On the other hand, the Pioneer does allow you to tweak the EQ yourself and it comes with a color GUI. I also believe the Pioneer will upscale to 1080p whereas the Onkyo will only go to 1080i, but I could be wrong about that. Any reasons why HK, Marantz, Yamaha, and Denon were nixed?
 
adk highlander

adk highlander

Sith Lord
I have to agree with rnatalli on his assessment of the amp sections of the two models. What would push me would be how or if you plan on passing video through the receiver. If you are going to use an HTPC at any point then you will not want the try and pass video throught the Onkyo. To get the lossless audio you will need to use HDMI connections and if your display is 1080p the Onkyo will again be an issue.

What are you using for a display and how do you plan on doing your connections?
 
bandphan

bandphan

Banned
While the 1019 isnt what the 1018 amp section was, feature wise its a good unit as is the onkyo. One thing I dont like about either is the lack of pre outs except sub woofers. Might ask what your budget is?
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
Really? If that's the case this is a no brainier. Get the Pioneer.
I wouldn't call it a no-brainer. MCAAC does not correct below 63 hz IIRC, and the bass range probably benefits the most from auto eq tech. Is MCAAC desirable? Yes. Is it the no-brainer. I dunno.

The Onkyo has Dyn vol/eq, but I wonder how differently these algorithms perform when given differing calculations from the various Audyssey EQ techs.
 
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rnatalli

Audioholic Ninja
I noticed some kind of a volume equalizer button or something on the front of the new Pioneers. I wonder if that's similar to Audyssey dynamic volume.
 
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MatthewB.

Audioholic General
I am leary of any reciever that rates it's amp based on one frequency range (1kHz) meanwhile the Onkyo rates it's amp at 90wpc along the entire audio spectrum 20Hz-20kHz) which is more indicitive of what the amp can accomplish. I find Yamaha, Pioneer and especially Sony recievers way overstate their amp section. Take the latest Sony ES (retail 2,000) it says it can handle 120 wpc x 7 but when bench tested, it barely managed 45 wpc x 7. I use my Onkyo 805 as a preamp and have it hooked up to an amp that shows how many watts it uses and during action movies, it eaily goes into 70-80 watt territory and I would be leary of a reciever that could only manage 50 or so watts per channel all channels driven. Go with the Onkyo or save up and get the 706 which has preouts and you can later hook up an outboard amp to drive the mains and the 706 can easily drive the remaining speakers.
 
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eracer001

Audiophyte
Thanks for the replies so far. My price range is about $500-$600. To be honest, I have two reasons for choosing these two receivers: (1) I have friends who have these brands, and (2) these models were recently released, so I figure they are the most future-proof. The thing that's pushing me off from the Onkyo is (1) no usb port, (2) recent review at cnet ding'd it's video processing.

My display will be a 56 inch 1080p Samsung DLP set. I plan on connecting the TV using HDMI, and passing all the video from the DVD/DVR/PS3 into the receiver using HDMI. I like the ability to upconvert an analog source if I choose to do so (i.e. Wii). Any further suggestions based on this? Thanks!
 
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MatthewB.

Audioholic General
For 500-600 you could easily buy the 706 at internet dealers or even find the refurb 805 for 450.00 from various sites like ShopOnkyo Which will have all the features you will need.
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

Banned
Yes, you are right, the Onkyo TX-SR607 is the latest.

But the 805 is a no-brainer if you can still found it (about $500 or so, refurb).

Also the 806 sell for $600, is THX Ultra2 Plus and it is much better than the 607.

Also the 705 have preouts for all channels and have the top Audyssey MutEQ XT and THX select. The 705 sell for only $440, refurb, same price than the 607.

Finally the 706 sell for $499.

So, you see, you'll be better off with any of these models, even if they are older, they are still better. And their price are all within your budget.

Here's in my own personal choice order:
#1. Onkyo TX-SR805 (about $499 or so) * Audyssey MultEQ XT & THX Ultra2
#2. TX-SR806 ($599) * Audyssey MultEQ + Dyn. EQ & THX Ultra2 Plus + THX Loudness Plus
#3. TX-SR705 ($439) * Audyssey MultEQ XT & THX Select2
#4. TX-SR706 ($499) * Audyssey MultEQ + Dyn. EQ & THX Select2 Plus + THX Loudness Plus

#5. TX-SR607 ($439) Audyssey 2EQ + Dynamic EQ & Dynamic Volume & Dolby Pro Logic IIz
#6. Pioneer VSX-1019AH-K (about $499 or so) ASR MCACC & Phase control

Just check at accessories4less for all these Onkyos.

Bob

Note: The ones with a * means preouts for all channels (#1 to #4).
 
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jcilforever

jcilforever

Audioholic
Buy the VSX-01TXH for $499 PM me. The thing that made up my mind was the info about bad Onkyo's on the net and the abundance of refurbs as this speaks directly about quality more refurbs for sale more returns. Also customer service was an issue too, just google the onkyo model number and add the word problem and you will come up with issues like upconverting, HDMI compat issues, overheating, customer service, etc..

Hope this helps
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

Banned
Buy the VSX-01TXH for $499 PM me. The thing that made up my mind was the info about bad Onkyo's on the net and the abundance of refurbs as this speaks directly about quality more refurbs for sale more returns. Also customer service was an issue too, just google the onkyo model number and add the word problem and you will come up with issues like upconverting, HDMI compat issues, overheating, customer service, etc..

Hope this helps
Yep, but if you look at the big average of happyness and disappointment in the world, you'll find no real clear winner or looser.
In the end, it all comes down to a personal choice. But Value, Features, Build, Ergonomics, Performance, Audio & Video quality, Remote, Gui, Manual, Ease of Operation, True Power, Personal Satisfaction, Overall Pleasure, all add up for the final decision (purchase), without even knowing most of the time what you have and what you don't.
We mostly go with what we read and our instinct. Except of course the reviewers that have the chance to listen to various models and brands, from the same year. So, we read the reviews too and we learn to have our favorite reviewers. We also check a bunch of forums to help us to make our minds, but it is very tricky because each one of us have his own preference.
So, we look for objective reviews with people that have more experience in comparing various brands. But even there its still tricky because each reviewer is different. So we look for consistency, and we concentrate on just a couple reviewers that we feel some affinities with.

And, if we have the chance (like I do) to bring these receivers at our own home in our own rooms with our own speakers, then it helps even more.

If I really want to enumerate all the faults of each brands, it will be just futile.

I'm gonna be very honest with you, I own Pioneer, Kenwood, Yamaha, Marantz, Denon and Onkyos. Guess which one is the best?
None and all, for a bunch of different reasons. In the end, I love them all and I hate them all.

So what's to really recommend to different people than us with different rooms and speakers and combination of components and different choice of Music & Movies at different volumes in different circumstances at different times in life (years), from different manufacturers with some having better components one year over the next, etc., etc., etc.

There is no definitive answer, only Peace is important. :)

Bob
 
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Mtn. Steel

Junior Audioholic
Really? If that's the case this is a no brainier. Get the Pioneer.
I have just gotten mine up and running and have not gotten all the bells and whistles figured out yet, but I believe you have the choice of manual EQ settings OR auto mcacc setup. The auto set up is awesome in my application, but it seems that I cannot tweak it from there...I could be wrong. I will follow up as I get to know the box.
 
jcilforever

jcilforever

Audioholic
I have just gotten mine up and running and have not gotten all the bells and whistles figured out yet, but I believe you have the choice of manual EQ settings OR auto mcacc setup. The auto set up is awesome in my application, but it seems that I cannot tweak it from there...I could be wrong. I will follow up as I get to know the box.
yes you can manually tweak it with manual setup and pre selected "sound effects"
 
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Mtn. Steel

Junior Audioholic
yes you can manually tweak it with manual setup and pre selected "sound effects"
God, I hate sounding stupid, but I could not find that in the manuel. Any hints would be much appreciated!
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
God, I hate sounding stupid, but I could not find that in the manuel. Any hints would be much appreciated!
Check out page 41 of the manual for instructions on how to manually adjust the settings for MCACC.
 
Patrick_Wolf

Patrick_Wolf

Audioholic
I am leary of any reciever that rates it's amp based on one frequency range (1kHz) meanwhile the Onkyo rates it's amp at 90wpc along the entire audio spectrum 20Hz-20kHz) which is more indicitive of what the amp can accomplish. I find Yamaha, Pioneer and especially Sony recievers way overstate their amp section. Take the latest Sony ES (retail 2,000) it says it can handle 120 wpc x 7 but when bench tested, it barely managed 45 wpc x 7. I use my Onkyo 805 as a preamp and have it hooked up to an amp that shows how many watts it uses and during action movies, it eaily goes into 70-80 watt territory and I would be leary of a reciever that could only manage 50 or so watts per channel all channels driven. Go with the Onkyo or save up and get the 706 which has preouts and you can later hook up an outboard amp to drive the mains and the 706 can easily drive the remaining speakers.
Does your amp show total wattage, or per channel? How many speakers is it driving? What speakers do you have? How hard do you drive them (volume)?
 
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