Pioneer Elite VSX 01TXH,Should I buy?

[Lordoftherings]

Talk, talk, talk...

Ill check AVS, then ill get to that bi wiring as I wouldnt want any unwanted EMF getting back to my HAM radio. BTW doesnt AVS enforce their no price talk policy anymore.

Well AVS comes and goes (about street prices), they let it go as long it's not a negative thing (like everyone know these prices already, so why try imposing some laws against it), and sometimes they'll decide to make a general raid and screw people for no basis reasons, the mods are loosing their heads big time, but what's new? AVS is not a human highway, it's a zoo, part humans and part animals. I guess that there is not enough good values to keep them going always straight. Anyway, it's part of the system, there are some great minds there, and at the opposite, some very stubborn loose canons that are always singing the same boring tune.
Anyway, you should visit Bandphan and check these Pioneer Elite ICE power threads, lots of good info.

* By the way, there is a guy (Yannaros) that just started a thread right here about his Rotel receiver and his lights going weird on him, plus he needs help about his trigger settings, but I could not figure out what to say to him. You might want to have a look and see what you can do perhaps.

** Also, about your poster on GAAAY, hmmm... I was not to impress with that one, but because you truly speak your mind, I'll let it go this time.

*** And finally, about Bi-wiring, I'm exhausted, totally empty...
And it becames a discussion of the brains and data (I hate this word), or of the mathematical proofs between TLS Guy and myself. Like I said, I'm drained.
One thing that I know though, is that I'm right, but I don't have any proofs to consolidate my true words taken from some experts in this matter at Bryston headquarters in Canada, right from a guru on this subject on bi-wiring.
At the end, I don't really care, i just don't want to argue and tell no one if they are wrong or right, I just don't really care that much. Besides I have too much respect for all of you guys. Another thing, I thing that I'm gonna keep bi-wiring my center speaker for many years to come. It's been about 10 years now so far, and I don't intend to stop, EVER. Talk about being stubborn!

Ok, I'm done for now. You have a great 4th of July weekend, GAAAYphan!!!?.,., huh, I mean BANDPhan. See, I'm getting very tired now. I'll go watch a movie...

 

[tech_freak]

Unfortunately the store he works at is closed today. Going to the store Monday.

 

[Biggiesized]

Im still confused at how they sell a unit @ 50% retail without it being a return or refurb. I would also say that if they are selling them "new' at that price, they will not be an dealer for long. And if anyone has purchased this unit please post.

The bill of materials for a receiver isn't very high at all. There is plenty of mark up to let their dealers make some money.

 

[bandphan]

The bill of materials for a receiver isn't very high at all. There is plenty of mark up to let their dealers make some money.

Fwiw I know exactly what the landed cost of this unit is. Also the point I was making is that whoring a unit at that price is not what a manufacture wants in a price protected line. It still seems iffy to me. Not saying it hasn't happened but I want someone to chime in that made a purchase

 

[Lordoftherings]

Today is the Birthday of the signature of the Declaration of Independence.

Unfortunately the store he works at is closed today. Going to the store Monday.

Yep, 4th of July.

*** Oh, by the way, the Pioneer VSX-01TXH could be had for $440 brand new with warranty from 6th Avenue Electronics, with their Price Alert feature.

The bill of materials for a receiver isn't very high at all. There is plenty of mark up to let their dealers make some money.

Very true. About 10 times less or more.

Fwiw I know exactly what the landed cost of this unit is. Also the point I was making is that whoring a unit at that price is not what a manufacture wants in a price protected line. It still seems iffy to me. Not saying it hasn't happened but I want someone to chime in that made a purchase

FYI, the people online that sells these Pioneer Elite A/V Receivers give you the full warranty and are authorised dealership sites.

*** As a special Bonus especially for you Mr. GAAAAYphan,!!!?!? Oups! Pard me, I mean Bandphan... Without saying anymore, here it is:

BONUS : http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1057599

Happy weekend (INDEPENDENCE) to all.

Bob

 

[ace0001a]

Haha, it really surprises me ANYONE would be against low prices or great deals or feel a need to be sceptical. Maybe such people have to have such a mindset since they're usually the one's paying full retail for products and so psychologically, it makes them feel better. Either way, many products we buy have HUGE markup and A/V receivers are one of them. In all my years of being an audio enthusiast, I have met and befriended many people in electronics retail that showed me the cost of things and I recall receivers having around a 100% markup for retailers who buy in reasonable quantities. So that receiver you're paying $1000 MSRP probably only costs the dealer $500 or less. And since manufacturers come out with new models every year, there's pressure by the retailers to move inventory if they did indeed purchase alot of inventory...basically business common sense. Product price protection or not, there will always be online retailers who sell A-stock electronics at wholesale prices to smart shoppers because the reality is that there are enough mainstream full retail price sales to less price conscious shoppers at the brick and morter stores like Best Buy to keep that whole price protection concept acceptible to manufacturers who actually care about it. Granted with the crappy economy, everyone is looking for a deal these days.

As for the topic, I'd say it's better to grab an SC-05 or SC-07 at the bargain prices many online retailers are selling them for right now.

 

[Lordoftherings]

^ And who that would be? ^

^ You must be referring to GAAAAYphan !!??@??!! Oups! Again,... I mean bandphan.
I'd better go watch a movie now.

 

[croseiv]

Yep, 4th of July.

*** Oh, by the way, the Pioneer VSX-01TXH could be had for $440 brand new with warranty from 6th Avenue Electronics, with their Price Alert feature.



Very true. About 10 times less or more.



FYI, the people online that sells these Pioneer Elite A/V Receivers give you the full warranty and are authorised dealership sites.

*** As a special Bonus especially for you Mr. GAAAAYphan,!!!?!? Oups! Pard me, I mean Bandphan... Without saying anymore, here it is:

BONUS : http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1057599

Happy weekend (INDEPENDENCE) to all.

Bob

I can see why you've been banned before at other forums there...

 

[bandphan]

Haha, it really surprises me ANYONE would be against low prices or great deals or feel a need to be sceptical.

Did I ever say that was against a good deal, no. And if you understood how distribution works and you were a dealer, you would be skeptical too.







Maybe such people have to have such a mindset since they're usually the one's paying full retail for products and so psychologically, it makes them feel better.

Don't pretend to know me, you don't and I'm in the industry. So figure that one out



Either way, many products we buy have HUGE markup and A/V receivers are one of them. In all my years of being an audio enthusiast, I have met and befriended many people in electronics retail that showed me the cost of things and I recall receivers having around a 100% markup for retailers who buy in reasonable quantities.

Very few non exclusive AV products
Work on a 50% profit margin just so you can recall that later on.


So that receiver you're paying $1000 MSRP probably only costs the dealer $500 or less.

How much does it take for them to inventory all these goods?


And since manufacturers come out with new models every year, there's pressure by the retailers to move inventory if they did indeed purchase alot of inventory...basically business common sense. Product price protection or not, there will always be online retailers who sell A-stock electronics at wholesale prices to smart shoppers because the reality is that there are enough mainstream full retail price sales to less price conscious shoppers at the brick and morter stores like Best Buy to keep that whole price protection concept acceptible to manufacturers who actually care about it. Granted with the crappy economy, everyone is looking for a deal these days.




As for the topic, I'd say it's better to grab an SC-05 or SC-07 at the bargain prices many online retailers are selling them for right now.

Thanks for sharing

 

[PENG]

*** And finally, about Bi-wiring, I'm exhausted, totally empty...
And it becames a discussion of the brains and data (I hate this word), or of the mathematical proofs between TLS Guy and myself. Like I said, I'm drained.

I know this is off topic but let me just do this once here. Things about bi-wire you can read from some reputable speaker manufacturer sites are technically correct and some of those who tried to counter the theory may not understand enough about the associated electrical theory and maths. That being said I have no argument with people who don't believe bi-wiring could improve sound quality. I tried it myself and cannot hear the difference either but I know on the electronic level there is a difference. The differences are just not discernible by human (or at least most of the living ones). Different amps have different specs too but people can't pick them out in DBT. In both cases, the differences are measurable using the appropriate intruments.

 

[PENG]

*** And finally, about Bi-wiring, I'm exhausted, totally empty...
And it becames a discussion of the brains and data (I hate this word), or of the mathematical proofs between TLS Guy and myself. Like I said, I'm drained.

I know this is off topic so let me just do this once here. Things about bi-wire you can read from some reputable speaker manufacturer sites are technically correct and some of those who tried to counter the theory may not understand enough about the associated electrical theory and maths. That being said I have no argument with people who don't believe bi-wiring could improve sound quality. I tried it myself and cannot hear the difference either but I know on the electronic level there is a difference. The difference is just not discernible by human (or at least most of the living ones). Different amps have different specs too but people can't pick them out in DBT. Like the differences between amps, the differences (electrical/electronic) due to bi-wiring should be measurable by using the appropriate instruments.

 

[Adam]

I know this is off topic but let me just do this once here.

I know this is off topic so let me just do this once here.

Or maybe twice.

J/King with you, Peng!

 

[mike c]

^ You must be referring to GAAAAYphan !!??@??!! Oups! Again,... I mean bandphan.
I'd better go watch a movie now.

First, THIS IS SO GAAAY.

Two, YOU'LL ALWAYS BE GAAAY & CONFUSED.

Anyway, Happy 4th of July.

There are many people that bought the SC-05 for $699 and the SC-07 for $899.
If you go sometimes to AVS, you'll find quite a few right there.
Just check their own respective theads.
And as someone that goes there every day to keep track of the latest, I can assure you that these Pioneer Elite ICE owners are very very happy with their extremely low price purchases. And they are very very happy too with the performance of these receivers; no wonder, at their low prices.
Why don't you get one for yourself Bandphan, they do work great in bi-wired mode.

what's with the name calling (or whatever it is)? this will be the last time i read something like this without consequences.

 

[PENG]

Adam, what are you waiting for? Go get that Elite you wanted as long as the price is right and the factory warranty is intact that's all that counts.

 

[Adam]

Adam, what are you waiting for? Go get that Elite you wanted as long as the price is right and the factory warranty is intact that's all that counts.

Good question! Well, the new Elites are coming out very soon...and those Denons still have me interested. My receiver still sounds good to me. I'll get one eventually.

 

[ace0001a]

Did I ever say that was against a good deal, no. And if you understood how distribution works and you were a dealer, you would be skeptical too.

Don't pretend to know me, you don't and I'm in the industry. So figure that one out

Very few non exclusive AV products
Work on a 50% profit margin just so you can recall that later on.

How much does it take for them to inventory all these goods?

Thanks for sharing

First thing is I can't say I have an idea of how distribution works (because I don't), but to me the simple facts have pointed out that authorized dealers listed on manufacturer's websites have been selling their receivers at huge discounts. The facts are there so I don't see a need to be skeptical. Sure a majority of the online dealers for electronics that sell low are not manufacturer authorized, but a few are which leads me to believe that there are "loop holes" around manufacturer desired price points that the authorized retailers have taken to be able to sell low. You can look at it like an airline ticket as one the person sitting in the next seat could have paid much more than you. I like that authorized dealers know how to be dynamic with the way they sell to their customers.

Second, I'm not pretending to know you. I was simply making a blanket statement and/or generalization on why I think some people may be skeptical of low prices in products that are normally not suppose to be sold low. If you took it personally, well then that's all on you. Obviously I unintentionally struck a nerve there because I didn't even feel like my generalized statement would've actually warranted a defensive response. It wasn't my intent to offend anyone there, just meant as a general statement of my opinion.

Unless my friends who worked soley on commision at the electronics stores had absolutely no idea what kind of numbers they should've been working with, I have no reason not to believe the numbers I were told. Another friend of mines was just recently "hooked up" by a buddy of his who runs a home theater install company with the top of the line Yamaha RX-Z11 for $2800. As you can see on Yamaha's website that the RX-Z11 retails for $5499.95 and obviously if you do the math, that's around 100% markup. While I won't discount you stating that you're "in the industry", the facts that I've experienced tell me what I know.

How much does it take to inventory goods? Well you're "in the industry" and I assume that means you're well versed as a business man. Since that's not my area of expertise as you've implied, I don't think it should be my place to say. But I will say that even common sense would lead one to believe that the more you buy, the lower cost it is per unit. So going by the Walmart principle, I'm pretty sure they're unit cost is much lower for a say a can of soda than what Mom & Pop Quickie Convenience store's unit cost is.

Look man, it was never my intent to rock the boat of the conversation of this thread. I just simply found it humorous that someone (like yourself) would debate the validity of online deals. It's happening now as we type these messages as price conscious consumers turn to the internet for deals...it's simply a fact of life these days especially in these tough economic times.

With regard to the topic, my recommendation is that I think it's better to try and snag an online deal on an SC-05 or SC-07.

 

[tech_freak]

Interesting situation has come up. My neighbor has a Denon 1909 that is 4 months old and has full warranty that he purchased from a local dealer. He purchased a Rotel and no longer needs the Denon.He told me he would sell it for $300.00 since he knows me.That seems like a bargain to me.Now what do I do???? I've never used a Denon before.I have been contemplating the 1910,but didn't know if there is a big difference between the 1909 and 1910.Thanks guys.

 

[Adam]

You may have mentioned this and I've forgotten, but do you have an external amp or have thoughts about adding one? The 1909/1910 don't have pre-amp outputs, whereas the VSX-01TXH does.

 

[tech_freak]

You may have mentioned this and I've forgotten, but do you have an external amp or have thoughts about adding one? The 1909/1910 don't have pre-amp outputs, whereas the VSX-01TXH does.

No extrenal amps and I don't see me adding any in the near future.But then again,that is something to consider.

 

[croseiv]

No extrenal amps and I don't see me adding any in the near future.But then again,that is something to consider.

Definitely keep it in as an option. Nearly all receivers can't hold a candle to a robust external amp. There have been a few robust receivers that can compete with separate amps, but they come with a pretty stout price tag.