Pick which sub for me (narrowed to 2)

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Dumb-rod

Enthusiast
I am going to buy a sub tomorrow night (3-1-05)

I'm down to these two picks:

HSU VTF-2 MK 2 - (10") - $499
Velodyne DLS-4000R - (12") - $447

Both leave a pretty small footprint which I want. Velodyne looks cool and has a nifty remote, but I can not find 1 review on them since they are new. The HSU have many reviews and is proven, but is a smaller woofer (might still go as deep?).

Which is the better buy?
 
Doug917

Doug917

Full Audioholic
Have you looked at SVS at all? They are priced near your budget and can put out some seriously low bass at very loud levels. They are also very smooth.
 
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dloweman

Audioholic
I have that Hsu sub and trust me you won't be dissappointed with it, it rocks.
 
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Dumb-rod

Enthusiast
I just checked out the svs subs. Those round ones look dang cool and might integrate better into my room. Would u guys suggest a round? They are dang tall, almost as big as my fronts.

The hsu 10" would also fit very nicely. ohhhhhh decisions
 
Rock&Roll Ninja

Rock&Roll Ninja

Audioholic Field Marshall
Would u guys suggest a round? They are dang tall, almost as big as my fronts.
I have a "round" and think its the greatest thing since the digital amp. of course I think a tall sub looks better with tall speakers, and the black fabric matches my furniture perfectly.
 
Rob Babcock

Rob Babcock

Moderator
I have a pair of the Hsu TN-1220's, and I think they look pretty cool. They're not subtle looking, though; WAF could be an issue.
 
Shadow_Ferret

Shadow_Ferret

Audioholic Chief
Aren't the cylinder subwoofers passive (non-powered, whatever the term is)? I thought you needed a separate amp to drive those things. (I'm assuming his budget is around $500, that's why he narrowed his choices down to those two above.)
 
Rock&Roll Ninja

Rock&Roll Ninja

Audioholic Field Marshall
HSU subs are passive. SVS has both passive & active.
 
Rob Babcock

Rob Babcock

Moderator
Shadow_Ferret said:
Aren't the cylinder subwoofers passive (non-powered, whatever the term is)? I thought you needed a separate amp to drive those things. (I'm assuming his budget is around $500, that's why he narrowed his choices down to those two above.)
Yeah, you're right. I was just commenting on the appearance of the tubes. I haven't heard the Velodyne he mentioned, so I hate to offer advice, but the Hsu he listed is a nice sub.
 
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dloweman

Audioholic
Rock & Roll ninja, just letting you know that Hsu subs are active, and the svs subs are both active and passive.
 
shokhead

shokhead

Audioholic General
I dont know anyone not liking there svs. I know a few getting 2 and selling one because it was way to much.
 
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paulwalker

Audiophyte
With these subwoofers, there is more to the story than active vs passive. The subwoofers without built in amp like the Hsu TN cylinder and SVS CS cylinder are technically passive because they do not have a built-in amplifier. I prefer this approach of keeping the amplifier separate from the cylindrical unit, as the cylinder need not be modified in any way shape or form. However, Hsu's amp unit is a 100% custom job, with proper equalization and subsonic filtering and soft clipping included. The amps that SVS uses for their passive cylinder CS subs are more generic Samson amps that include none of these features and are not customized for the sub.

The built-in amps that SVS uses for their powered cylinder series are customized for their subs. However, I do not prefer this because the cylinder needs to be cut in order to house the amplifier. From an engineering standpoint, this is not ideal, though it is practical for some to have the amp built in. Note that this is not an issue with box subwoofers, as they have parallel and not curved surfaces where the amp can be attached with no integral harm to structure itself.

Please do keep in mind that these cylinders are huge, and much bigger in real life than you might think looking at a small picture on a manufacturer's website. Unless you can keep them out of sight, I would suggest going the box route.
 
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paulwalker

Audiophyte
That is just pure facts, nothing "nutty" about it.

Many non-engineers will not comprehend what will happen to a cylindrical structure when you modify it. A very good engineer will know otherwise though.

In fact, you don't need to do much of anything to a thin unmodified cylindrical structure for it to be an extremely strong bass enclosure. Contrary to popular belief, you do not need to add any extra thickness or bracing to a cylinder enclosure for it to become stronger or more effective.

There is a difference between what is fundamentally sound based on engineering principles, vs what is merely practical or marketable.

What is Tom Vodhanel and Ron Stimpson's background? From that design, I can tell you with almost 100% certainty that their background is not in engineering. Very aggressive chaps who are looking to learn more, but engineers they are not.
 
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Red

Audioholic
Dumb-rod...

I have not heard the Hsu sub, but they do get a lot of good press. I have the Velodyne DLS 3750, for about a month now and I'm very happy with it.

The majority of my listening is music vs movies and this sub integrates very will with my system. Of course alot depends on sub placement, room acoustics etc.

I think the bottom line is you will probably be happy with either a Hsu or a Velodyne product.

Happy listening :D
 
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Tdekany

Junior Audioholic
Dumb-rod said:
I just checked out the svs subs. Those round ones look dang cool and might integrate better into my room. Would u guys suggest a round? They are dang tall, almost as big as my fronts.

The hsu 10" would also fit very nicely. ohhhhhh decisions
Don't forget that Hsu Research is coming out with the turbos for the VTF2. It will destroy any of those other subs mentioned. :D
 
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Dumb-rod

Enthusiast
how long till that, and WHAT is that? haha

mucho money u think?

I delayed getting a sub cause my tv showed up and it was damaged, so now i have to wait 2 more weeks to get it :(
 
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golfhack

Audioholic Intern
Hey Dumb-rod,

I can tell you that I am in the same boat as you are - I've been looking for a sub for the past couple of weeks. I've been doing a lot of research during that time including the driver designs on various models (I'm extremely finicky when it comes down to a major investment). And I can tell you that from what I've heard, you can't go wrong with either HSU or SVS. As for the Velodyne, from what I can tell, I don't think their comparable to these other two manufacturers, unless you go towards the top end of their models such as the HGS-X or DD models, which cost a darn pretty penny. They were indeed one of my top 3 choices, until I found out what the prices were on them. Hope this helps.
 
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Tdekany

Junior Audioholic
Dumb-rod said:
how long till that, and WHAT is that? haha

mucho money u think?

I delayed getting a sub cause my tv showed up and it was damaged, so now i have to wait 2 more weeks to get it :(
Est time: SUMMER

Nothing is mucho peso that Dr Hsu designs.
 

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