Philharmonic 3s - Oh My!!!

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herbu

Audioholic Samurai
Well, I got my Philharmonic 3s and have been listening to them about a week now. The thread title sums up my impression. I'll admit the domain of my speaker experience is limited, but these are clearly the best speakers I've ever heard! I now realize I've been wrong about so many things that I thought sounded good.

"Direct" mode sounded thin and weak unless the volume was very loud. Wrong.
I set my subs to "LFE + Main" so I still used the subs in Direct mode. Wrong.

The bass with the Phil3s is amazing, and needs no supplement for music. Bass is strong when it's supposed to be strong, and subdued when it's supposed to be subdued. But it always has clarity, punch, and crispness, (if you can use the word "crisp" with bass). I can hear, and even feel the attack of the bass drums and low notes, and the fade is equally distinct with no lingering artifacts. I don't know the correct usage of all the audio terms, but I think this can be explained as a lack of boominess.

Percussion is more lifelike than I knew was possible with speakers. I haven't heard drums like this since I was onstage beside them in high school. I can easily hear if the snare drum is struck in the middle or toward the side. They are crisp and clean, and really add a dimension to my music that I had been missing.

All strings are amazing... guitars, both accoustic and electric, violins, cellos, etc. Now I understand what people mean when they say some speakers can be fatiguing. With my old speakers, as good as I thought they were, I could only listen to violins at high volume in short doses. No more. Violins on the Phil3s are as clean, clear and unobjectionable as a live performance. I could listen for hours... in fact, I have.

Dennis gives you a couple different ways to "tune" the highs, w/ stuffing in the cabinet and some little foamy thingys that stick on front of the tweeters with magnets. I started with his recommended "half" stuffed cabinets, then played with less and more. Ended up sticking with half. The little foam thingys tend to soften the treble to varying degrees depending on whether you use 1 or 2, and where you place them. I ended up leaving them off. Perhaps it sounds better to me like that because of high freq hearing loss due to age and a lifetime of shooting.

Voices are clear and realistic, both in music and TV. Sometimes my wife and I have trouble understanding somebody on TV. Just for giggles, we listened to TV a couple days in Stereo. No center speaker. We never had trouble understanding anything. It may just be coincidence, but I suspect I'll soon be talking to Dennis about a Center to go with the Phil3s.

So my new preference for music is Direct mode, no subwoofers... and it is the best music I've ever heard. Admittedly, I've never heard the speakers currently being discussed in the, "What's the Best Speaker Ever Made?", thread. But I can tell you without reservation the Phil3s are the best speakers I have ever heard! I'm hearing things I have never heard before, even in old stuff like the Beatles. These speakers have rekindled the love I've always had for music, and a new-found admiration for some artists.

Thanks, Dennis. Well done!!! I now have Phil3s in the front, and 4x Aperion Grand Towers for side and rear surrounds, and an Aperion Grand Center. I still use the Rythmik and SVS subs for movies, but they become just furniture for music. Here's what the front looks like. For perspective, that's a 60" TV and the Rythmik FV15HP sub in the picture.
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Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
Congrats on the new speakers! It's always fun to read how new owners enjoy these speakers.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Congrats!

Looks like you saved yourself from spending $10K that you initially planned. :D
 
adk highlander

adk highlander

Sith Lord
Congrats Herbu. Looks very nice and glad to hear they were even better than you expected.
 
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Dennis Murphy

Audioholic General
Thanks for taking the time to report your impressions Herbu. I'm glad they were up to snuff. Doesn't look like we quite got the oak stained to match your entertainment center, though. It looked browner in the pics we had. I didn't pick up on the reddish cast. I guess shipping the center to Del for a perfect match would have been a bit pricey.
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Congratulations Herbu! I wish Dennis would make them in the GTA (Greater Toronto Area). I think he said the 4 ohm rated Phil 3s can do fine with just a decent AVR so I wonder if you heard night and day difference between running them with just your AVR and with your power amp or they sound almost as good without the amp?
 
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herbu

Audioholic Samurai
Doesn't look like we quite got the oak stained to match your entertainment center, though. It looked browner in the pics we had.
Yep. The grain matches wonderfully. The color is an indictment of my photographic skill, not Dell's ability. But honestly, I don't care. The sound is amazing! And actually the color matches perfectly with our eclectic collection of stuff in the room.

PENG said:
I wonder if you heard night and day difference between running them with just your AVR and with your power amp or they sound almost as good without the amp?
I don't know. Didn't pull out the AVR/amp, disconnect wires, reconnect and try it. And unless the amp dies and I have to send it back, I probably will never try it. I'm lazy that way. ;) Sorry.

Another difference I have noticed though, is their volume sensitivity. With the Aperions, I had to change the volume ~3dB to hear a difference. With these, I swear I can hear a 1dB change. It is slight, but somehow I can hear the 1dB baby steps within a 3dB change. Maybe it's only in my mind, but so is a 10dB change, right?

AcuDefTechGuy said:
Looks like you saved yourself from spending $10K that you initially planned.
Sure did! I was skeptical about diminishing return going from the Aperions to the Phil3s. $2k/pair to just under $4k/pair. But I was wrong again. The Phil3s are AT LEAST twice as good!!! Now, however, I am truly skeptical that any $10k pair could possibly be twice as good as these. I can't say, because I've never heard a $10k pair of speakers. But I'd be willing to bet. :D
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

Audioholic Slumlord
I was skeptical about diminishing return going from the Aperions to the Phil3s. $2k/pair to just under $4k/pair. But I was wrong again. The Phil3s are AT LEAST twice as good!!! Now, however, I am truly skeptical that any $10k pair could possibly be twice as good as these. I can't say, because I've never heard a $10k pair of speakers. But I'd be willing to bet. :D
It comes down to what the manufacturer chooses the priorities to be on any given speaker. Some speakers are louder, some are smaller, some are prettier and some sound better. Congratulations on scoring the 3's before Dennis figures out that he needs to double the price. :)
 
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herbu

Audioholic Samurai
What did the Phils replace?
Aperion Verus Grand Towers. Those were moved to replace KEF Eggs for rear surrounds.
I bought the Aperions based on this review:
The Aperion Audio Verus Grand Loudspeaker System has redefined, for me, value in high end, which is why they earned the Audioholics coveted 2010 Product of the Year Award. These are the speakers to beat and will likely send many of their competitors back to the drawing boards, or in their cases, their engineering sound labs. Highly Recommended!
I liked them. A lot. And they may be the best value at that price. I don't know. But I DO know the Phil3s stand head and shoulders above them. From now on, the Aperions have earned a rest and will only be called upon for surround duty.
 
JohnnieB

JohnnieB

Senior Audioholic
I felt much the same way when I first heard my Ascends. Like I never knew what good audio was.
Very nice setup. Enjoy your new Phil's.
 
TheWarrior

TheWarrior

Audioholic Ninja
Congrats! Must be nice getting direct feed back from the speaker designer too! AH ain't a bad place to hang!
 
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herbu

Audioholic Samurai
Congrats! Must be nice getting direct feed back from the speaker designer too! AH ain't a bad place to hang!
I learned about Dennis here. When I began to consider getting his speakers, I contacted him directly. Lots of questions and back-and-forth. He is VERY patient, most helpful and honest. He'll tell you what he thinks, not what he thinks you want to hear. So WAY more satisfying than his feedback after the purchase is his guidance before the purchase. I did talk to him about a Center, and once again he was more than helpful. It is now ordered. :D
 
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