Phase Technology dARTS... Phenominal

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InTheIndustry

Senior Audioholic
After several long conversations with Phase Technology as well as speaking with other dealers from around the country who carry it, I set up an audition for myself.... and was BLOWN AWAY! Needless to say, I requested the paper work to become a dealer of the entire Phase Tech line and will soon be ordering a dARTS system for my own home and for my show room when it opens later this year. I can't wait to start offering this to my customers as I feel it is heads and tails above anything else I've ever heard (including the $80K JBL Sythesis & Meridian systems) and it's relatively reasonable at $14,500 for 5.1 - $17,500 for a complete 7.2 system. It comes with a 16 channel 4000 watt digital amplifier, so all you need to add is a preamp and DVD player. No, joke I don't remember the last time I was this excited about a system. It's worth the drive accross your state to audition one if you have to.

If you are into home theatre, Google the Phase Technology dARTS system and read some reviews on it.

My question is: Has anyone else on this forum ever had a demo or considered purchasing it?
 
Tomorrow

Tomorrow

Audioholic Ninja
InTheIndustry said:
After several long conversations with Phase Technology as well as speaking with other dealers from around the country who carry it, I set up an audition for myself.... and was BLOWN AWAY! Needless to say, I requested the paper work to become a dealer of the entire Phase Tech line and will soon be ordering a dARTS system for my own home and for my show room when it opens later this year. I can't wait to start offering this to my customers as I feel it is heads and tails above anything else I've ever heard (including the $80K JBL Sythesis & Meridian systems) and it's relatively reasonable at $14,500 for 5.1 - $17,500 for a complete 7.2 system. It comes with a 16 channel 4000 watt digital amplifier, so all you need to add is a preamp and DVD player. No, joke I don't remember the last time I was this excited about a system. It's worth the drive accross your state to audition one if you have to.

If you are into home theatre, Google the Phase Technology dARTS system and read some reviews on it.

My question is: Has anyone else on this forum ever had a demo or considered purchasing it?
During your audition, did you A/B/X these with any other speakers/brands?
 
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InTheIndustry

Senior Audioholic
Tomorrow said:
During your audition, did you A/B/X these with any other speakers/brands?
No, I just listened to the Phase Tech dARTS system. Why do you ask?
 
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Nuglets

Full Audioholic
Tomorrow said:
During your audition, did you A/B/X these with any other speakers/brands?
I think one knows if they are blown away by speakers and it shouldn't require an A/B/X test.
 
Tomorrow

Tomorrow

Audioholic Ninja
InTheIndustry said:
No, I just listened to the Phase Tech dARTS system. Why do you ask?
Even amongst the most dedicated and professional of speaker reviewers, little can be made of their recommendations and reports unless set in the confines of a comparative evaluation (including A/B switching) or double blind testing.

I mean no offense and I appreciate your recommendation for these Phase Techs. (I will look for them to audition.) And I'm not criticizing your post. I'm just answering your question. I believe it would have been more informative and useful if you had some baseline to compare them with...in real time. Limited data, singular speaker auditions, and personal pricing/value opinions don't necessarily make for a good equipment purchase.

This thread will give you my overall opinion of speaker reviews and recommendations.... http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28027
 
Tomorrow

Tomorrow

Audioholic Ninja
Nuglets said:
I think one knows if they are blown away by speakers and it shouldn't require an A/B/X test.
I wasn't questioning whether or not he was "blown away". I was looking for more information...which btw, an A/B/X would have provided.
 
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Nuglets

Full Audioholic
Roger that...I was just assuming(which is a bad thing to do, I know) that you were attempting to discredit what he said because he didn't do an A/B/X test.
 
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InTheIndustry

Senior Audioholic
To Clarify:

In my experience I've designed and built home theatres that featured product like Triad Platinum, Atlantic Technology's THX Ultra & Select, as well as RBH Signature series, NAD, Krell, Yamaha and many other brands. I've sat down and listened for extended periods of time with JBL's Synthesis system (the rep for JBL Synthesis is less than an hour away and I’ve been given several listens) and a lot of other product in a lot of different price ranges both much higher & much lower than the dARTS system. At this point I've dedicated my entire working life to one big A/B/X test always looking for new product that offers my customers something better. I usually don't feel the need to do an A/B/X test because if I wasn't "wowed" by something the first or second time I heard it I don't need to put it up against something that does blow me away to re-affirm my decision.

This doesn’t mean that the Synthesis or other systems aren’t amazing in their own right. Synthesis - to stick with this benchmark because the concepts between the two systems are the similar - is an awesome sounding rig. Regardless of the HUGE cost disparity (around $100K difference) between the dARTS from Phase Tech and the Synthesis from JBL, my experience with the dARTS was better. Meaning: even at equal money, I liked the Phase Tech system better and was more impressed by it.

I totally understand Tomorrow's point and will address specific things that I liked on the dARTS system in a post later tonight. I was just curious if anyone else had ever actually listened to it and what their feelings were.
 
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Nick250

Audioholic Samurai
What we have is one persons experience with one set of speakers in a specific room that has a specific set of acoustical properties. He liked them a lot. That's about it.

Nick
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
Tomorrow said:
Even amongst the most dedicated and professional of speaker reviewers, little can be made of their recommendations and reports unless set in the confines of a comparative evaluation (including A/B switching) or double blind testing.

I mean no offense and I appreciate your recommendation for these Phase Techs. (I will look for them to audition.) And I'm not criticizing your post. I'm just answering your question. I believe it would have been more informative and useful if you had some baseline to compare them with...in real time. Limited data, singular speaker auditions, and personal pricing/value opinions don't necessarily make for a good equipment purchase.

This thread will give you my overall opinion of speaker reviews and recommendations.... http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28027

Amen, testing new exciting gear one gets caught up in the moment. The human mind is known to play tricks, add excitement and anticipation to the mix and you have a recipe that needs to be verified, tested and approved. I think the statement is fair.
 
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InTheIndustry

Senior Audioholic
Tomorrow, Stratman, and Nick250 your comments have to be coming out of ignorance as to what the dARTS system is designed to do. Stratman at least has an excuse..... he is a caveman after all (insert disgusted glare here :) )

Why would I spend time A/B/X testing one product against another when after listening to product A, I decided against it? I have a reference standard that if something doesn't match up to in one or many areas... it's out. End of story. No need to keep beating the dead horse and trying to compare it to other products when I know it doesn't fit the bill. I have time enough and experience with what I consider a reference system to know what I'm looking for in finding a better one. Phase Technology, without a question in my mind, provided that better solution in the dARTS system. That being the most complete sounding home theatre experience I've ever had.

dARTS, as you will find out if you research it, is designed to sound exactly the same in any room (so long as you choose the proper system for the cubic space in your room) and at any listening position regardless of the rooms sonic signature. Both of your assertions as to the environment I auditioned in possibly being the reason it sounded better than anything else is moot because the system sounds the same in any room. I know the next question is: Did you hear it in another room? No, I did my homework and called other dealers to ask them what their experiences with it were. There are three versions - in-wall, in-room, and behind-wall. I heard the behind wall set-up and, after getting the feedback from the other dealers and reading several reviews, I'm convinced that the in-wall/room rigs sound the same. This is brilliant because now customers aren’t limited by the constraints of their room or wall space.

In addition to spending time with the system I also spoke to Ken Hecht at Phase Tech (he designed the system) as to why he designed a system to do this and the process in which he chose to accomplish it. This is all documented in magazine articles, but before I invest in something I like to get the story from the horse’s mouth, so to speak. I have been nothing but impressed with Phase Tech as a company and their product more than matched up to their service.

As far as my mind playing tricks on me, I find that assertion a little ridiculous based on my experience and the reason behind why I demo product vs. that of a consumer. I keep in the forefront of my mind that when I'm auditioning new equipment I need to be cynical and pick the product (and company) apart to find weakness. There is no "caught up in the moment" for me any more really. It's a business. A hobby too, that's what keeps it fun, but a business first. I ceased being a fan-boy of anything, any belief, or any science, a few years ago because products are always changing. The fact that "one person's experience" is backed up by numerous dealers and magazine articles (research the product instead of regurgitating common responses) make that point moot as well.

I was merely suggesting that, in my opinion and from my experience, this was the best system out there and that people should go give it a listen. While I certainly don't have the "golden ears" I don't believe I've heard a better “home use” product intended for playing movies..... in ANY environment or at any price point. Two ch. music is admittedly the systems weakness. Because the software the amp uses is typically tuned and set-up for multi-channel listening, you don't get the depth out of the speakers in two channel mode. I did listen to some multi-channel music and a few chapters of an Eagles concert DVD and the system sounded beautiful.

I just thought this system would interest a lot of home theatre buffs out there because it provided a different solution to a lot of problems that people encounter when either doing a dedicated room or an open area system. People on the forums talk all the time about auditioning systems both in and out of their budget and I thought I’d recommend what I – and many others – feel is the best system out there and ask if anyone had ever actually listened to it.
 
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Nick250

Audioholic Samurai
InTheIndustry said:
Tomorrow, Stratman, and Nick250 your comments have to be coming out of ignorance as to what the dARTS system is designed to do. Stratman at least has an excuse..... he is a caveman after all (insert disgusted glare here :) )
It would have nice of you to explain in your initial post what a dARTS system was for. Keep working on the people skills, it needs a little tweaking.

Nick
 
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InTheIndustry

Senior Audioholic
I will, Nick250, and you keep boning up on the reading comprehension skills (see quote below). It will payoff eventually and then you can comment on your scientific knowledge of the "specific acoustical properties" of a room in relation to a system that cancels them out. What's frustrating is that you didn't even bother to look into the system I was referring to before attempting to interject an irrelevant idea as to why it performed so well. If you had, you wouldn’t have even made the statement regarding room acoustics. And you're on here giving people advice?

InTheIndustry said:
I totally understand Tomorrow's point and will address specific things that I liked on the dARTS system in a post later tonight. I was just curious if anyone else had ever actually listened to it and what their feelings were.
The reason I didn't post last night after I got in is that after reading the two posts after mine, I decided to wait until morning.
 
AVRat

AVRat

Audioholic Ninja
InTheIndustry, appreciate your analysis. This system is on my short list as well as the others you mentioned for my next dedicated HT. The dARTS system does seem to be more budget friendly. Just curious, how big is the room you’ll be putting it in?
 
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Rik

Audioholic
dARTS has Audyssey Pro built into it does it not? I would imagine that could account for the WOW factor InTheIndustry experienced.
 
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highfihoney

highfihoney

Audioholic Samurai
InTheIndustry said:
I've dedicated my entire working life to one big A/B/X test always looking for new product that offers my customers something better. I usually don't feel the need to do an A/B/X test because if I wasn't "wowed" by something the first or second time I heard it I don't need to put it up against something that does blow me away to re-affirm my decision.
Thats one he!! of a statement & i like it:D After spending enough time hearing & setting up different systems its hard to be wow'ed most of the time & when you do find something that blow's your mind it's easy to spot.There's nothing wrong with being able to see a peice of equipments potential or a set of speakers caricaturistics within the first few moments of hearing it.

Unless your show room is set up like audio classics showrooms its gonna be impossible for anybody to ABX test these type systems.:rolleyes:
 
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MDS

Audioholic Spartan
Perhaps the dART system is phenomenal, BUT the short version of what the others are saying is simply that saying 'due to my experience listening to many systems' or 'all of my friends/colleagues/magazine reviewers also agreed it is phenomenal' is not sufficient.

It is the same as saying 'all of my audio buddies agreed that the {esoteric cable of your choice} sounded way better than the cheap cables' and a/b/x testing has shown, I think rather conclusively, that the majority of people that make such claims cannot tell correctly which wire/cable/receiver/amp/etc is playing a statistically valid number of times; ie more often than random guessing.
 
Tomorrow

Tomorrow

Audioholic Ninja
MDS said:
Perhaps the dART system is phenomenal, BUT the short version of what the others are saying is simply that saying 'due to my experience listening to many systems' or 'all of my friends/colleagues/magazine reviewers also agreed it is phenomenal' is not sufficient.

It is the same as saying 'all of my audio buddies agreed that the {esoteric cable of your choice} sounded way better than the cheap cables' and a/b/x testing has shown, I think rather conclusively, that the majority of people that make such claims cannot tell correctly which wire/cable/receiver/amp/etc is playing a statistically valid number of times; ie more often than random guessing.
Well stated, MDS.
 
Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
What's all the controversy? Here's what I got out of the original post.

InTheIndustry said:
I set up an audition for myself.... and was BLOWN AWAY!

willl soon be ordering a dARTS system for my own home and for my show room.

If you are into home theatre, Google the Phase Technology dARTS system and read some reviews on it.

My question is: Has anyone else on this forum ever had a demo or considered purchasing it?


The OP expressed excitement, announced his intentions, suggested others do their own research and asked for feedback. He wasn't publishing a review. I certainly don't want to have to perform a double-blind, clinically certified accurate to within x-percent with charts, graphs and expert testimonial to validate my A/B/X methodology test just to tell somebody that I'm excited about something.
 
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