PB10-NSD to the PB12-NSD?????

[speakerman39]

Some one correct me if I am wrong since I have not heard the sub in question, but if a bit more output is your primary goal I would think a second PB10 would do that without breaking a sweat in a 2000 cf room. The only reason to go with a 12" sub would be have the ability to go lower.

Nick

Hi Nick point well taken. But, I would rather have (2) PB12-NSDs as opposed to (2) PB10-NSDs. IMHO, I do believe a single PB12-NSD will suite me fine. If not, then I will get another eventually. Wish I could afford the PB12-NSD/2 or better yet a PB12 Plus but unfortunately I can't.

 

[speakerman39]

That's what I said before, and even SVS recommended a second PB-10 to me as well when I was looking to upgrade. They said dual PB-10s would have a ton of output and should sound great. Unfortunately, I didn't have room for a second one. Buckeye is right on the money - it will be an upgrade, but it won't be a big enough one IMO, if you are looking for a noticeable increase in output. You'd have to step up to a NSD/2 or a Plus to get a significant jump.

Not just placement within the room, but the size and shape and the exact spot you sit all affect how you perceive the bass impact due to room modes. My old room had a pretty big dip higher up with the PB-10, and it was very noticeable. Nothing I did could fix that, so I ended up with my current sub. That sub had a very flat response in my old room, but in my new one, I have a bit of a drop off at the bottom likely because the room is larger and is no longer a suspended wood floor.

The PB-10 can reach the same low end as the PB-12, so two of them will get you much more output, but it won't get you much lower because they still have the same physical limits.

I'd send this one over to SVS as they will tell you without question what is up.

Hey John have you had any experience with the PB12-NSD/2? There does not seem to be much info on it and I have looked into various forums. The PB12Plus/2 is mainly all I can find. Just was wondering how it would fare compared to a single PB12-NSD or better yet dual PB12's. Thought you may know. Thanks for your help.

 

[j_garcia]

Dual PB-12s will have more output than a NSD/2 because you have two separate subs running their own power (though it is only 650w vs 600) in their own enclosures, but obviously that also takes up more space. I have not heard a NSD/2 yet though.

 

[speakerman39]

Dual PB-12s will have more output than a NSD/2 because you have two separate subs running their own power (though it is only 650w vs 600) in their own enclosures, but obviously that also takes up more space. I have not heard a NSD/2 yet though.

Thanks John-so are you saying that (2) PB12-NSDs would be better than a single PB12-NSD/2? How would you place (2) PB12-NSD's? Would you stack them?

 

[j_garcia]

Me personally, yes I would stack them if I could.

 

[Ron Temple]

If you've caught Illka's preliminary numbers on the PB12NSD, you'll find that it puts out some serious numbers down to 16hz at 2 meters outdoors...might be plenty. Stacked will get you a 6db increase vs a 3-4db increase with the NSD/2. However, I'd split them to get a flatter in room response.

 

[mike c]

I'd split them if:

1) you can place them equidistant to you (not co-located but similar locations)
2) if you have some way of measuring the frequency response like the Room EQ Wizard or SMS-1

 

[speakerman39]

Me personally, yes I would stack them if I could.

Thanks John I will try that when I get a second PB12-NSD. Heck, haven't even gotten the first one yet..........LOL!!!! But thanks for the help. Have a good eveing.

 

[speakerman39]

If you've caught Illka's preliminary numbers on the PB12NSD, you'll find that it puts out some serious numbers down to 16hz at 2 meters outdoors...might be plenty. Stacked will get you a 6db increase vs a 3-4db increase with the NSD/2. However, I'd split them to get a flatter in room response.

Ron, to be honest I do believe one PB12-NSD will be enough. I will know soon. If I do end up with two chances are I will try to co-locate them via stacking and I will separate them and then decide which way sounds best to me. But, thanks for your help.

 

[speakerman39]

I'd split them if:

1) you can place them equidistant to you (not co-located but similar locations)
2) if you have some way of measuring the frequency response like the Room EQ Wizard or SMS-1

That is a good suggestion too BUT not sure if I can do that. The first thing I plan to do is see if (1) PB12-NSD will be enough. If not, I will get a second one shortly thereafter and begin experiementing to find the right set-up for my needs. Thanks for the advice.

 

[j_garcia]

Well, if you already have the PB-10 and aren't selling it, you might try the two of them co-located. I think someone else already suggested that too... worth a shot.

 

[speakerman39]

Well, if you already have the PB-10 and aren't selling it, you might try the two of them co-located. I think someone else already suggested that too... worth a shot.

John I dont have to sell the PB10 it is going back to SVS for the PB12-NSD. Just had to pay the difference. Working out really well for me. But, thanks for your help. Ed Mullen told me if I get (2) PB12-NSDs that would equal (3) PB10-NSDs in terms of performance. I will decide soon if (1) PB12-NSD is NOT enough BUT do believe it will be.

 

[mike c]

cough ... you're gonna want a Plus ... cough

 

[Warpdrv]

cough ... you're gonna want a Plus ... cough

HAHAHAH I second that..

In fact, I'll be leaving this thread to buy a Plus in glossy black to supplement my Plus/2 until I get my bedroom setup done...

That should be fun...

 

[speakerman39]

cough ... you're gonna want a Plus ... cough

Well, I hope it is enough anyways............at least it will be easier on my wallet...........LOL!!!!!

 

[j_garcia]

Hahaha. I'm sure it will be enough......for now

 

[speakerman39]

Hahaha. I'm sure it will be enough......for now

Yeah, maybe for what a month?...................LOL!!!!!

 

[autoboy]

I want a plus too. I think i have upgrade-itus. My PB12-NSD rocks so hard I'm wondering how much harder a plus would rock. I'm gonna try moving it around the room one day when I feel really strong. I've got it placed where my old sub performed best but that may not be the best spot for the PB12-nsd.

 

[speakerman39]

I want a plus too. I think i have upgrade-itus. My PB12-NSD rocks so hard I'm wondering how much harder a plus would rock. I'm gonna try moving it around the room one day when I feel really strong. I've got it placed where my old sub performed best but that may not be the best spot for the PB12-nsd.

Heck, I may just go rent a dolly-----LOL!!!!!

 

[Buckeye_Nut]

Hello, thanks for sharing your thoughts. However, if you read my op I am mainly looking for a bit more output. This is due to various reason(s) but mainly due to budget constraints AND the fact I have neighbors that live very close by. The PB10 does a good job BUT just want a bit more punch over-all . As a result, I have decided to upgrade to the PB12 and as previously mentioned will add another

I think you chose wisely........

I think many people confuse wanting more output, when what they really need is more performance and a more capable sub. If more output is what you need, then all you need to do is turn up the gain and make your current sub louder.

On the other hand, a more capable sub will offer more performance, lower extension, etc, etc, etc. at any given level of 'output'.

well done...