PB10-NSD to the PB12-NSD?????

[speakerman39]

Any members here own or have owned a SVS PB10-NSD and upgraded to the PB12-NSD??? If so, was it worth it to you? I own a PB10 BUT find myself wanting a bit more over-all. That is, hit a little harder down low and and more punch above say 30-35 Hz. My room is just a tad bit less than 2000 cubic feet. Would love to get a PB12-NSD/2 BUT it is out of my price range and besides I have to get along w/my neighbors. As a result, I have decided to upgrade to the PB12-NSD as the SB12 Plus would really not offer me much as size is really NOT an issue. If I really like the PB12-NSD I can always get another in the very NEAR future. I could of had done the same w/respect to the PB10-NSD but over time I have always been drawn more to a 12" driver. The PB10-NSD is good at what it does so please dont take me the wrong way but rather understand that I just need more of what the PB10 does. My preference is more on music BUT I also want excellent ht performance. So, if any of you dont mind please share your thoughts and/or experiences with respect to the PB10 and the PB12. Feel free to elaborate because the more specific you are the better. Thanks for your time.

 

[Matt34]

Any members here own or have owned a SVS PB10-NSD and upgraded to the PB12-NSD??? If so, was it worth it to you? I own a PB10 BUT find myself wanting a bit more over-all. That is, hit a little harder down low and and more punch above say 30-35 Hz. My room is just a tad bit less than 2000 cubic feet. Would love to get a PB12-NSD/2 BUT it is out of my price range and besides I have to get along w/my neighbors. As a result, I have decided to upgrade to the PB12-NSD as the SB12 Plus would really not offer me much as size is really NOT an issue. If I really like the PB12-NSD I can always get another in the very NEAR future. I could of had done the same w/respect to the PB10-NSD but over time I have always been drawn more to a 12" driver. The PB10-NSD is good at what it does so please dont take me the wrong way but rather understand that I just need more of what the PB10 does. My preference is more on music BUT I also want excellent ht performance. So, if any of you dont mind please share your thoughts and/or experiences with respect to the PB10 and the PB12. Feel free to elaborate because the more specific you are the better. Thanks for your time.

I can't comment on the the PB12 but if it's anything like the HSU VTF3/2, which I believe it is, there will be a noticeable improvement in both extension and output. When I upgraded, it washed away any doubts I had about the extra money spent.

 

[speakerman39]

I can't comment on the the PB12 but if it's anything like the HSU VTF3/2, which I believe it is, there will be a noticeable improvement in both extension and output. When I upgraded, it washed away any doubts I had about the extra money spent.

Thanks Matt for your input. Would also like to hear from actual SVS owners.

 

[Matt34]

LOL, I just reread my post and forgot to mention the sub I upgraded from was a PB-10.

 

[speakerman39]

LOL, I just reread my post and forgot to mention the sub I upgraded from was a PB-10.

So Now ya tell me.............LOL!!!!! So, care to elaborate a bit more on what you liked better with the Hsu 12" sub??? It would be helpful.

 

[mike c]

just this morning I read a post by Ed Mullen stating that the PB12NSD does everything the PB10NSD does but around 40-60% more output.

I can't find it ...

 

[Matt34]

So Now ya tell me.............LOL!!!!! So, care to elaborate a bit more on what you liked better with the Hsu 12" sub??? It would be helpful.

Well, to put it simply, it just did everything better. I really didn't spend a lot of time comparing the two.

 

[speakerman39]

just this morning I read a post by Ed Mullen stating that the PB12NSD does everything the PB10NSD does but around 40-60% more output.

I can't find it ...

Wow, I guess mostly attributed to the larger driver-12" vs. 10". The 12" driver will move more air and the vent on the PB12 is 1" larger in diameter. It only seems logical that the PB12 would be a significant step-up.

 

[speakerman39]

Well, to put it simply, it just did everything better. I really didn't spend a lot of time comparing the two.

OOOOOKKKKKEEEEDDDDDOOOOKKKKEEEE................LOL!!!!! Sounds like a no brainer to me. Looks like I will be stepping up to the PB12 real soon.

 

[j_garcia]

I've owned the PB-10 and heard the PB-12. There was pretty much no difference in extension as far as I could tell, but there was definitely more output. IMO, it isn't enough of a step up to be a big increase, I'd step up to something more substantial or add a second PB-10.

 

[speakerman39]

I've owned the PB-10 and heard the PB-12. There was pretty much no difference in extension as far as I could tell, but there was definitely more output. IMO, it isn't enough of a step up to be a big increase, I'd step up to something more substantial or add a second PB-10.

Well, I have decided to upgrade to the PB12-NSD. If I find it not enough I will get another one in the very near future. However, (1) just may do the trick for my needs. But, thanks for your input.

 

[j_garcia]

The main thing with the PB-12, it had more "rumble" down low to it, due to moving more air. I don't think it is a bad choice, but it sort of depends on a number of factors; not the least of which is your room.

 

[phillyguy]

You could always go with a dual sub set up (PB10+PB12 colocated) once you get the new sub, unless you need to sell the pb10. That would have even more output than the pb12 alone. Just a thought.

 

[speakerman39]

The main thing with the PB-12, it had more "rumble" down low to it, due to moving more air. I don't think it is a bad choice, but it sort of depends on a number of factors; not the least of which is your room.

Hello John care to be a bit more specific? Are you referring to room placement? My room is just a tad under 2000 cubic feet. Do you think the single 12" PB12 would not be enough?

 

[speakerman39]

You could always go with a dual sub set up (PB10+PB12 colocated) once you get the new sub, unless you need to sell the pb10. That would have even more output than the pb12 alone. Just a thought.

Yeah dual PB10's would out perform a single PB12. But by the same token imagine what (2) PB12s could do if you will???? Personally, I believe a single PB12 should be enough and if not then I will get another one.

 

[Buckeye_Nut]

My 2 cents....


If you're going to upgrade, why screw around?

Yes, the 12" NSD will offer more than the NSD-10, but why shortchange yourself?

Do the plus-12........


The difference in the cost between the NSD & Plus is marginal.........

If you really want to upgrade, I think you should REALLY upgrade.

You wont regret it..... On the other hand, a 'marginal' upgrade is just that.... marginal.


And no...dual PB10's will not outperform their big brothers, because multiple PB-10's cannot go as low. Their bottom end extension is limited by pure physics. Multiple little subs will provide more output than a single little sub, but multiple 'little guys' cant hit as low as a single larger sub.

Based on your statement, I dont think adding another 'little sub' isnt what you need.

 

[speakerman39]

My 2 cents....


If you're going to upgrade, why screw around?

Yes, the 12" NSD will offer more than the NSD-10, but why shortchange yourself?

Do the plus-12........


The difference in the cost between the NSD & Plus is marginal.........

If you really want to upgrade, I think you should REALLY upgrade.

You wont regret it..... On the other hand, a 'marginal' upgrade is just that.... marginal.


And no...dual PB10's will not outperform their big brothers, because multiple PB-10's cannot go as low. Their bottom end extension is limited by pure physics. Multiple little subs will provide more output than a single little sub, but multiple 'little guys' cant hit as low as a single larger sub.

Based on your statement, I dont think adding another 'little sub' isnt what you need.

Hello, thanks for sharing your thoughts. However, if you read my op I am mainly looking for a bit more output. This is due to various reason(s) but mainly due to budget constraints AND the fact I have neighbors that live very close by. It really would make little sense for me to get the much more expensive offerings when I would seldom, if ever, really be able to use them. The PB10 does a good job BUT just want a bit more punch over-all and I will be content. One poster mentioned that I could always get another PB10 BUT in that case I would have no idea how much better the PB12 is. As a result, I have decided to upgrade to the PB12 and as previously mentioned will add another IF and ONLY IF I feel I need more. It is doubtful I will need a second PB12 due to my limitations per se. Been saving for a new receiver and right now Onkyo has my full attention. Going to wait a bit longer and see how Denon, Yamaha, and Pioneer Elite respond to Onkyo's new lineup. For now at least, upgrading to the PB12 is in MY best interest. BTW, many people including SVS claim that (2) PB10-NSDs will outperform a single PB12-NSD. That is what I was referring to earlier. Have a great day.

 

[Nick250]

Some one correct me if I am wrong since I have not heard the sub in question, but if a bit more output is your primary goal I would think a second PB10 would do that without breaking a sweat in a 2000 cf room. The only reason to go with a 12" sub would be have the ability to go lower.

Nick

 

[j_garcia]

That's what I said before, and even SVS recommended a second PB-10 to me as well when I was looking to upgrade. They said dual PB-10s would have a ton of output and should sound great. Unfortunately, I didn't have room for a second one. Buckeye is right on the money - it will be an upgrade, but it won't be a big enough one IMO, if you are looking for a noticeable increase in output. You'd have to step up to a NSD/2 or a Plus to get a significant jump.

Not just placement within the room, but the size and shape and the exact spot you sit all affect how you perceive the bass impact due to room modes. My old room had a pretty big dip higher up with the PB-10, and it was very noticeable. Nothing I did could fix that, so I ended up with my current sub. That sub had a very flat response in my old room, but in my new one, I have a bit of a drop off at the bottom likely because the room is larger and is no longer a suspended wood floor.

The PB-10 can reach the same low end as the PB-12, so two of them will get you much more output, but it won't get you much lower because they still have the same physical limits.

I'd send this one over to SVS as they will tell you without question what is up.

 

[speakerman39]

That's what I said before, and even SVS recommended a second PB-10 to me as well when I was looking to upgrade. They said dual PB-10s would have a ton of output and should sound great. Unfortunately, I didn't have room for a second one. Buckeye is right on the money - it will be an upgrade, but it won't be a big enough one IMO, if you are looking for a noticeable increase in output. You'd have to step up to a NSD/2 or a Plus to get a significant jump.

Not just placement within the room, but the size and shape and the exact spot you sit all affect how you perceive the bass impact due to room modes. My old room had a pretty big dip higher up with the PB-10, and it was very noticeable. Nothing I did could fix that, so I ended up with my current sub. That sub had a very flat response in my old room, but in my new one, I have a bit of a drop off at the bottom likely because the room is larger and is no longer a suspended wood floor.

The PB-10 can reach the same low end as the PB-12, so two of them will get you much more output, but it won't get you much lower because they still have the same physical limits.

I'd send this one over to SVS as they will tell you without question what is up.

Well, I cant afford a PB12-NSD/2 or any of the Plus series so it is out of the question. When I say a bit more output I am NOT referring to the subs ability to dig deeper but rather more out put over-all-especially above the 30 Hz range. SVS did say that (2) PB10-NSDs would do everything you said BUT I am not interested in doing that. If I end up w/dual subs they will be the PB12-NSDs. However, I believe I will be able to get by with just a single PB12-NSD. Besides, as I have previously mentioned why have all that output capablity BUT no way to really use it. My former neighbors used to call the police on me all the time. Got very tired of paying fines and such. Now I have a NEW neighbor and so far she has NOT complained. She is, however, a bit elderly and has my phone # just in the event it ever does bother her all she has to do is pick up her phone and let me know. This is the reason I believe that I will be content with a single PB12. If not, then in time I will get another. Until then, that is my plan. If I have to use the money I have put up for a new receiver so be it. In fact, it might even be a good idea since I am still waiting to see what happens or shall I say how Denon, Yamaha, HK, and Pioneer Elite responds to Onkyos new receiver line-up. But your points are well taken John as I am aware you know your stuff. Thanks for your input.