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I'm looking for new bookshelf speakers to replace my 20 year olds and looking to spend no more than 200.

I was thinking about trying these out:
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=300-642

the review for those seems decent and the speakers seem decent, plus I figure it'd be cool to "build" my own pair.

Any thoughts?

Suggestions wouldn't be bad either for anything good around that price range.
 
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nm2285

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I'm sure they'd be fine sound quality especially for the price. However, they are very inefficient. If you're not driving them with a high quality, pretty high power supply, you won't do them any kind of justice. Maybe look into other kits or even separate parts to do more DIY stuff. Otherwise check out Athena AS-B1 at Best Buy or Paradigm Atoms. Both are $180 and great values.
 
Rob Babcock

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They're probably not bad speakers, but I think once you factor in shipping & your time to assemble them you could probably buy decent speakers. Maybe something used. A-gon & Ebay would be a good bet.
 
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nm2285 said:
I'm sure they'd be fine sound quality especially for the price. However, they are very inefficient. If you're not driving them with a high quality, pretty high power supply, you won't do them any kind of justice.
What makes them inefficient? I don't know much about speakers.
And I'd be running them off of a Panasonic SAHE100

Thanks
 
Rob Babcock

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I think he meant "sensitivity", not "efficiency". The terms are often erroneously used interchangeably, but they're not the same thing. Efficiency is a measure of the ratio between the how much input power is turned to sound vs heat. Sensitivity is a measure of how much sound pressure is generated per watt (typcially expressed as #dB/1 Watt/one meter).

The average sensitivity among speakers is around 90-92 dB. This means an SPL of 90 decibels from one watt of amp power. Some speakers, notably horns, can generate tremendous volumes per watt (over 100 dB!). At 85 dB, those speakers will require a lot more power to play at the same level of loudness than a more sensitive speaker would.

Low sensitivity isn't bad in and of itself (well, not in a speaker, at least! :p ), but it can lead to dynamic compression. If you have a lot of amp, and the speaker can handle a lot of power without compression, or if you don't require high SPLs, there's no problem. However, if you're going to drive them with a receiver in a large room, and you like loud rock, you've got a recipe for disappointment.
 
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Cool. Makes sense.



Looking on eBay, i found a pair of "Mission dual 6.5" speakers 761i"

I couldn't find a direct review, but I've found reviews of other products by Mission. But the question: would a pair of those be a good buy?

I'm still looking, but just sorting through my options.

Thanks
 
Rob Babcock

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Mission speakers are pretty nice for the price. You may want to look for JBL & Infinity speakers, too. They make pretty good speakers, they're big names & sell a lot of speakers, and they change models frequently. These factors usually mean a lot of speakers on Ebay to chose from, and a large supply means low prices. Models from the late 90s often sell for $.10-$20 on the dollar (before shipping).

Just try to buy from someone with good feedback, and investigate the condition of the speakers. I'd personally avoid speakers older than 10 years with foam surrounds. Almost every speaker I've ever seen with foam surrounds that's over 20 yrs old has the foam rotted out. The longevity depends a lot on where the speakers were used. Very humid parts of the country will rot the foam a lot faster.

Pay close attention to the shipping. Since Ebay charges a fee based on the final value, one trick sellers will resort to is charging very high shipping to avoid paying final value fee. And often people don't check the shipping cost before they bid only to be surprised by charges that are two or three times what it really costs to ship. Your better sellers don't resort to dishonest tactics like this (again, check the feedback).

I've bought and sold on Ebay with no problems, but it comes down to the individuals involved. I treat people fairly and trust in their feedback, and so far it's worked for me.

Again, the Athena's at BB are pretty good for the price, and you wouldn't go wrong. But for $200 you'll probably get more used.

What do you plan to drive them with? That is, what kind of amp/receiver? How much power? How large is your room & how loud do you listen? And what kind of music do you prefer? Those questions can allow people to tailor their advice a bit more specifically.
 
Rob Babcock

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Just got to thinking, Polk is another brand you might check out.
 
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Yea, Polk's a good idea. I always see the Rti 28's going on ebay for about $140 or less before shipping and those are great sounding speakers. Also check out Fluance. They're very inexpensive, and everything I've read about them has been positive considering their price point. One more suggestion is the JBL S38. Harman Audio is always selling those from their ebay store and you can get them direct from www.harmanaudio.com for about $200. I've got some of those and they can go louder then any bookshelf speaker I've ever heard. I don't use them much anymore because they're so big and heavy but I've always like their sound.
 
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Thanks for all the feedback.

I've been checking out those brands on eBay.

I've found a pair of KLH-9912.. are those any good?
 
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Nevermind that.

I just found a review for those speakers...
 
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Thanks for all the feedback.

I've been checking out those brands on eBay.

I've found a pair of KLH-9912.. are those any good?

I don't like to dog other speakers, except for BOSE, but I would stay away from KLH. KLH used to make some pretty nice speakers years ago but recently have seemed to go downhill. I have not been impressed at all by what I have heard from them recently. They also seem to be cheaply built.

I would definitely stick with the brands suggested above as well as other popular brands like Infinity, Boston Acoustic, Paradigm, Energy and Klipsch to name a few others. They are have lower priced speakers that should be far better than KLH in terms of buidl quality and sound.
 
Rob Babcock

Rob Babcock

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The funny thing is that is you took the manufacturers brand badging off of them, the KLH & B(l)lose are pretty similar. Which really isn't very complimentary, since KLH sells for about 1/10 the price!
 
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