Paradigm Mini Monitors suitable mains?

Shintsu

Shintsu

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A friend of mine with a ton of speakers and audio goodies (Way more than he needs) has a pair of Paradigm Mini Monitors he will sell for $120. My original interest was in buying a pair of rear speakers (Key emphasis being not TOO big) and then a center channel and having a 5.1 setup. Now my budget prior to selling off the old audio equipment I now do not need is only about $100. It is a possibility though I could trade my old amp (Adcom 80 wpc stereo amp) for the Paradigms - I feel $120 or so is a fair price for the Adcom and he already suggested the price on the Paradigms.

Now from what little I've read from searching the Mini Monitors - they seem to be rather nice to simply relegate to being rears. My father is most commonly who helps me in such audio decisions since he's been in audio for many many years, sold it, etc. In his mind though, these Infinity Qe's with the EMIT tweeters are fantastic and he claims I'm not going to find much that sounds better (Or he says I won't hear it - and possibly not but I feel as he's pressuring me to do as he would do: keep the same speakers for ever and ever and while it maybe fine, that's just too boring :D). Anyway, I want to know from some subjective opinions - would the Mini Monitors provide a noticeable difference in my system? The Infinity Qe's have an 8" driver (since I know info on these old speakers isn't quite as easy to find).

To add, I do have some other things to consider as well from the same guy. A pair of PSB Alphas for $50 (Which when I A/B'ed speakers there auditioning for the ones I liked the most I went with the Infinitys however the final A/B was between the Qe's and the PSB's so they would be more than fine for rear channels IMO). Also if I can ever convince him to break up the set of B&W speakers he has - he would see me a pair of new in the box B&W DM 601 S2's for $60. I know nada about the B&Ws but uhh most things in me say "Hey, new speakers for $60? And B&W? What wouldn't be worth it in that deal?" It would be my additional hope to buy the center channel too - and in this case would the B&W's be suitable main replacements?

It seems so funny that I'm comparing old speakers from the late 70's/early 80's to much newer ones but as they say you must compare based on actual sound quality and these speakers do indeed sound good to me. Noteworthy as far as my Infinity's go one of them (perhaps even both - I forget) had those EMIT tweeters replaced and I know those weren't especially cheap or easy to find. A nitpicky thing I could point out is the Infinity's look so dated with everything else in my setup - everything else is either glossy black, silver, or glass. And there to break it up like shag carpet in an old van are the Qe's! But I'm acoustics over aesthetics.

Can anyone help me out? I started out looking for a decent pair of rear bookshelfs to wall mount - the only thing I could use that I own are those Polk Monitors but meh, they're already hooked up in the other room and I like the idea of getting another pair of speakers. Obviously if I replace the Infinitys, I still need rears. The Infinitys are rather big to be wall mounting IMO so I'd rather not do that with them.
 
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Shintsu

Shintsu

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Wow, why do I always have to bump my posts? Is it because I'm not posting about wanting to buy some cheapo TSC speakers or a Dayton sub or Axiom or some other company that sponsors the website with their cheesy budget speakers? FFS, it's like no one knows anything to help - so nobody here knows anything about speakers huh? Find that hard to believe...
 
bandphan

bandphan

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Wow, why do I always have to bump my posts? Is it because I'm not posting about wanting to buy some cheapo TSC speakers or a Dayton sub or Axiom or some other company that sponsors the website with their cheesy budget speakers? FFS, it's like no one knows anything to help - so nobody here knows anything about speakers huh? Find that hard to believe...
1st, speakers are subjective and how they sound is up to you. 2nd, rear surrounds are not a high priority for most. 3rd, your above post sure cant help the process;) A little time reading threads will yeild your answers. As for the aformentioned brands, members have nothing to do with adv or reviews done by the staff:)
 
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griffinconst

Senior Audioholic
Dude
Make him sell you those B&W's. Did you say 601 s2 new in box for $60? Those are great speakers and go for $200 any day of the week, used.
You say you don't know B&W's, I assume you haven't heard them. They would make fine fronts if you have a sub.
If they are what you say that is a TOTAL steal. They won't sound like your Infinities though.
Go pull them up at audioreview.com and see what owners say about them.
In the end, trust your ears and get what you like best.
Sorry you got dropped through the cracks. We really like to help, but whining usually gets you nowhere around here. Show up....keep trying...buy good gear.
Let us know what you decide.
 
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j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
It may be harder to locate a center for speakers from the 70s/early 80s, so I would say I'd be picking something that would allow easy access to a matching center. The Minis or the 601 S2 would be good choices. I've owned a few pairs of Minis and Monitor 5s and they are definitely suitable as mains.
 
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fredk

Audioholic General
Wow, why do I always have to bump my posts? Is it because I'm not posting about wanting to buy some cheapo TSC speakers or a Dayton sub or Axiom or some other company that sponsors the website with their cheesy budget speakers? FFS, it's like no one knows anything to help - so nobody here knows anything about speakers huh? Find that hard to believe...
You're right. We do know something about speakers and can look beyond a brand name or shiny new speakers to make a choice.

Go buy the B&Ws and tell everyone you've got shiny new B&Ws. I'm sure they will all be impressed.
 
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griffinconst

Senior Audioholic
You're right. We do know something about speakers and can look beyond a brand name or shiny new speakers to make a choice.

Go buy the B&Ws and tell everyone you've got shiny new B&Ws. I'm sure they will all be impressed.
I hear what you're trying to say Fred, but you gotta admit $60 for a pair of 601's is a deal. Unless you want them for yourself. :eek::D:D
 
Shintsu

Shintsu

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Sorry to come off a bit rude all, but I post on other forums and I have the same problem. I post a new thread and it just falls pages and pages behind and no one ever helps me out. What's worse on the other forums it's totally different subjects - cars, computers, etc. I don't expect people to rush in and answer my question like it's all that important but I figured someone could provide some helpful insight. I know the B&Ws are nice, regardless of what some people might say but again I'm unsure of how to persuade him to sell them to me. Reasonably so he thinks he'll make more selling all of them as a full system.

Since most people I know are perfectly satisfied with Japanese speakers like Sony, brand names would be lost on them. I could tell them I have B&Ws and they'd ask "Are they as nice as Sony?" and that's not much of an exaggeration. I'll admit though, while I try to listen to the sound more than anything I can't help but be biased by brands sometimes. I mean lets be honest, Axiom speakers might sound just as good as or better than B&Ws or [insert established high end audio brand here] but how annoying is it when telling anyone about it to have to defend your equipment as not cheap no-name stuff? Let's face it, people with those Vizios, Olevias, V7's - they all get some of that no-name brand flak. Brand name means a lot to a lot of people and again I won't say that it means nothing to me - think of it this way, how many people buy McIntosh equipment because they truly appreciate the quality and how many buy it just because so many people know McIntosh is a high end brand? Jeez, it's how Bose stays in business - being a well known name. There was a speaker company out of Lexington, Kentucky known as Black Max speakers I believe and it was owned by two brothers who built them in their garage. Total no-name, but their speakers sounded fantastic and each pair was handmade and tested by the two brothers. They have long since stopped making speakers but you can't even find that stuff on eBay. A great example of a barely known company making a nice product. I mean, just peruse Audiogon and look at some of the brands of speakers - stuff that most sensible people will never be able to afford. The biggest hoax to me though are those stupid overpriced wires - I saw some go on eBay for $20k because they were some liquid based wires or something gimmicky - wow, like anyone can hear that? Definitely a difference between super thin and cheap wire but once you get a little thicker it makes no difference that you could truly hear.

Perhaps I'm not as picky yet as some audio enthusiasts become but to me most speakers sound good, but I can definitely identify elements of cheap speakers and bad ones - particularly tiring speakers to listen to. The only part I wasn't sure as far as quality of sound would be between those Paradigm's and the B&W's because I know both would sound good but more than likely in different ways. He lets me listen to everything before buying and I certainly will listen to both anyway, I was simply trying to see if anyone had them to vouch for as I did when I went to look at the Denon receiver I ended up buying (Which while being nice as I expected, received a rave recommendation).
 
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griffinconst

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If he won't sell you the B&W's but will the Paradigms, buy them. Those are fine speakers as well. Of course, listen to them first and buy what sounds good to you.
You will need a sub with just about all bookshelf speakers,
 
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fredk

Audioholic General
griffinconst. Well, OK, for $60 its hard to go wrong with the B&Ws. I have read mixed reviews of the 600 series, but have not heard any myself, so I can't judge them one way or the other. It is a good bet though that they will sound miles better than any other $60 speaker.

but how annoying is it when telling anyone about it to have to defend your equipment as not cheap no-name stuff?
Well personally I buy for me, so I don't worry what my friends think. I also tend not to hang out with people that are more interested in the names of things than what they do. If thats important to you though thats fine.

I could tell them I have B&Ws and they'd ask "Are they as nice as Sony?"
Thats funny! I would tell them: "Not quite, but I couldn't afford the Sonys" and leave it at that.

If you want to stick with recognized brands thats fine. Just don't dismiss everything else as cheap. B&W and Paradigm are both great well recognized manufacturers, but not all B&Ws are equal, nor are all Paradigms.

At the same price, the Axiom M60 is in a whole different legue than the Monitor 7.
 
CraigV

CraigV

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Since most people I know are perfectly satisfied with Japanese speakers like Sony, brand names would be lost on them. I could tell them I have B&Ws and they'd ask "Are they as nice as Sony?" .
Why should you let other peoples ignorance be your downfall? If we all felt that way, we wouldn’t own B&W, Paradigm, KEF, Emotiva…etc. Just because the salesman I spoke to at BB didn’t know beyond the brands on the shelf doesn’t mean the amp I have couldn’t make the speakers I was auditioning sound fantastic. Also, a good way to enlighten the attitudes & perceptions of your audio inclined friends would be to buy the B&W’s, mate them with a good sub & have them take a listen.

Buy the B&W’s, if for no other reason than they are a good speaker at an insanely good price. Hell, you could buy them & turn around and sell them for a profit, thus increasing your speaker buying budget.
 
GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

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At the same price, the Axiom M60 is in a whole different legue than the Monitor 7.[/QUOTE]

The same price? My local Paradigm dealer sells the Monitor 7 for $630/pr, while the Axiom website has the M60 priced at $1070/pr (Canadian prices). I wouldn't call that the same price. If any dealer is asking $1000+ for 7's, they are trying to rip somebody off. However, at $630, the 7's are fine speakers. I have never seen, much less heard, an Axiom speaker. But, if I was in the market, I'd definitely give them serious consideration.
 
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griffinconst

Senior Audioholic
At the same price, the Axiom M60 is in a whole different legue than the Monitor 7.
The same price? My local Paradigm dealer sells the Monitor 7 for $630/pr, while the Axiom website has the M60 priced at $1070/pr (Canadian prices). I wouldn't call that the same price. If any dealer is asking $1000+ for 7's, they are trying to rip somebody off. However, at $630, the 7's are fine speakers. I have never seen, much less heard, an Axiom speaker. But, if I was in the market, I'd definitely give them serious consideration.[/QUOTE]

I think when he mentioned Axiom 60's as being the same price, he was thinking of your $900 budget. You can get seconds or B stock axioms for around that $900 mark. My buddy bought those and we couldn't find a mark on them.
 
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fredk

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The same price? My local Paradigm dealer sells the Monitor 7 for $630/pr, while the Axiom website has the M60 priced at $1070/pr (Canadian prices)
How times change. When I bought my system last June, the C$ was slightly above par, the M60s were $900 and the Monitor 7 was $850 in the stores I checked out. I stand corrected.

Are those the new version of the Monitor or are they one back? I know they updated the line earlier this year. $650 makes the Monitor 7 a better value.

I still think the Axiom line is a better value because of the big jump in sound quality, but your priorities may be different.
 
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fredk

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Thanks for the vote of confidence griffinconst, unfortunately I'm behind the times. :D

When I picked up my system the M60s from the outlet were around $890 a pair.
 
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jamie2112

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$60 for B&W 601's new in the box:eek: That is a no brainer for me .......
 
Shintsu

Shintsu

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Well, for whatever reason they're not quite that price - even though that is what he told me they would be. No matter, I never listened to them anyway but I knew for that price they would be good.

I am considering now (for use as rear channels) either the aforementioned PSB Alpha SE speakers for $50 (Have heard and I liked), a pair of Athena AS-B1's for $70, (Now the rest I don't know prices of and may not still be available but are ones previously listed to me): Celestion SL6i's and Klipsch KG 1.5's. Are any of the speakers I listed particularly highly reviewed or raved about more so than another?

In response to earlier - I never said I wouldn't buy nice quality because people I know don't know what it is. I was simply pointing out the fact that "Bragging about my shiny new B&Ws to my friends" would be rather pointless since they're pretty clueless about audio brands. I buy what sounds good too, not what impresses (Not that those factors ever hurt anything I'm looking at).

And lol @ the Bose comment...why would I be looking to downgrade my system? :D
 
GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

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How times change. When I bought my system last June, the C$ was slightly above par, the M60s were $900 and the Monitor 7 was $850 in the stores I checked out. I stand corrected.

Are those the new version of the Monitor or are they one back? I know they updated the line earlier this year. $650 makes the Monitor 7 a better value.

I still think the Axiom line is a better value because of the big jump in sound quality, but your priorities may be different.
Actually, the shop where I have purchased all my Paradigms did not increase their prices with the change from V5 to V6. I guess they're trying to hold the line on prices in this economic atmosphere.

The Axioms look superior on paper and have received fantastic reviews. To be honest, I had already purchased my Monitors before I had even heard of Axiom:eek:. Otherwise I might've been tempted to give them a go.
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

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Paradigm Mini, Monitor Series speakers.

The Paradigm Mini Monitor speakers are perfectly suitable as your mains.
Just match them with an adequate subwoofer, and you'll be singing with them.
Plus, at the price that you're getting them, it's an excellent value, in top of an already excellent value. :) You cannot ask any better than that.
 
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