Paradigm Atoms as Rear Speakers ????

J

jolly relic

Audiophyte
:confused:Greetings from a n00b with a desire to learn. My setup is as follows.Receiver- Yamaha RXV-663,CD- Yamaha CDC-555, Turntable Technics SL-B30, Speakers- Front L/R Paradigm Titans, Sub Paradigm SB-100. X-Box 360,TV 42" Samsung Plasma PN50A450P1D. I need some help and advice. Q1) Paradigm Atoms as Rear/Surrounds? (I found a pair for 70.00) Q2) Can TV Speakers be used as Center Channel ? If so how to set up. Q3) Sub is Passive, options to power or make "active"? I appreciate any help or sugestions.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
1) Yes, should be perfect.

2) No.

3) You can get an external amp within your budget and feed that from a receiver's preamp sub out (LFE) and it should work fine. This will essentially make it an "active" sub.
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

Audioholic Ninja
I want to adjust what was said above

2) Probably not, but even if you can you definately shouldn't.
 
J

jolly relic

Audiophyte
1) Yes, should be perfect.

2) No.

3) You can get an external amp within your budget and feed that from a receiver's preamp sub out (LFE) and it should work fine. This will essentially make it an "active" sub.
Ok, no problem.
Any suggestions on a center?
Any suggestions on type and power of amp.
Media room is 14'X17', I would like to keep price under 300
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

Audioholic Ninja
About 8 feet, slight toe in, 12" from rear wall and 4' from side walls.
Sounds like my bedroom setup. I'm actually happier with my center off and phantomed (I have a center, I'm just no longer using it). I'd suggest trying phantom mode and seeing how you like it. Not buying a center at all would mean no worrying about timbre matching, and save you some money.
 
krzywica

krzywica

Audioholic Samurai
Sounds like my bedroom setup. I'm actually happier with my center off and phantomed (I have a center, I'm just no longer using it). I'd suggest trying phantom mode and seeing how you like it. Not buying a center at all would mean no worrying about timbre matching, and save you some money.
It also depends on if there will be people sitting off axis, where as in the majority of cases you don't need a center for the sweet spot, but as soon as you go off axis things go amiss.
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

Audioholic Ninja
It also depends on if there will be people sitting off axis, where as in the majority of cases you don't need a center for the sweet spot, but as soon as you go off axis things go amiss.
That doesn't seem universal either.

Let's take an extreme example: a L/R 3ft apart. At any real distance they are going to basically become a point source with the center about the middle of the two.

Adding a true center channel (a small one so it will fit), I am convinced, will provide no benefit unless the listener is near-field (1-3ft away).

My setup has the L and R speakers maybe 8' apart (offset toward he right room wall) in a room about 14' long. In the corner farthest away (left rear corner where my massage chair is), the sound remains better.

I'm not disputing other people having other results; but the on/off axis rule, if it exists, is far from universal.

(though the family room has never had a center: those speakers, 10'-12' apart still sound like a single point form the kitchen: way off-axis and 25' away.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
That doesn't seem universal either.

Let's take an extreme example: a L/R 3ft apart. At any real distance they are going to basically become a point source with the center about the middle of the two.

Adding a true center channel (a small one so it will fit), I am convinced, will provide no benefit unless the listener is near-field (1-3ft away).

My setup has the L and R speakers maybe 8' apart (offset toward he right room wall) in a room about 14' long. In the corner farthest away (left rear corner where my massage chair is), the sound remains better.

I'm not disputing other people having other results; but the on/off axis rule, if it exists, is far from universal.
I have to agree with krzywica. I tried phantom in one particular setup and found that it only worked well if you were in the sweet spot. As soon as you weren't, things became odd with voices and I found it very distracting. It does depend on the speakers in question and their off axis performance as well as the room and where you sit. In most cases, I would still say that a center will be a benefit if you have the ability to position things relatively "correctly" (good positioning, good room, proper seating position, etc...). I agree that with mains at 3ft apart, a center is useless though.

For a center, it depends on the versions you have. If you have the more recent Monitor Titans/Atoms, then you would want a CC-190 or higher to match them. If you have the older versions, a CC-170 or -270 used should be fairly easy to find.

For an inexpensive amp, check www.partsexpress.com You can get an Audiosource Amp100 for $150, at which point you might simply consider getting an active sub from them for around the same price - the Sub100 or Sub120. You can find the Amp100 used for pretty cheap though; I picked one up nearly brand new for $50.
 
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JerryLove

JerryLove

Audioholic Ninja
FWIW: my HT setup (the one now phantoming) is Paradigm Studio 40v3s with a Studio 490v3 center directly below the TV with all three hight-matched so that the tweeter is at ear level and facing flat forward.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
I found the Studios to be extremely picky about their placement. I actually ran the v3 40s with a Phantom center as well and also did not particularly like it, but in stereo they sounded great.
 
krzywica

krzywica

Audioholic Samurai
That doesn't seem universal either.

Let's take an extreme example: a L/R 3ft apart. At any real distance they are going to basically become a point source with the center about the middle of the two.

Adding a true center channel (a small one so it will fit), I am convinced, will provide no benefit unless the listener is near-field (1-3ft away).

My setup has the L and R speakers maybe 8' apart (offset toward he right room wall) in a room about 14' long. In the corner farthest away (left rear corner where my massage chair is), the sound remains better.

I'm not disputing other people having other results; but the on/off axis rule, if it exists, is far from universal.

(though the family room has never had a center: those speakers, 10'-12' apart still sound like a single point form the kitchen: way off-axis and 25' away.
As mentioned by J as well......In my experience it has to do greatly with the imaging and dispersion characteristics of the speakers, toe in placement, distance from the listening position, how far off axis.

I find it particularly important that if you are a short distance from the speakers AND off axis (say 6ft-8ft from the speakers and right on a side wall) and the normal listening position is 8ft back with 8ft between the speakers this can sound very bad w/o a center. I hope I worded that clearly enough as I am at work and its hard enough to convey accurately as is.

However this is certainly not an absolute, as few things are in speaker placement.
 

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