panny vs. sammy & '09 vs '10

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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
are you done reading yet?:p:D
I'll get back to you around Thanksgiving time. :p No time right now, and then if and when I have an amplifier arriving, it's subwoofer time.

I'll read a few more pages tomorrow.

Which Samsung interests you the most?

You do understand the whole 3:2 thing, and why we would want to avoid that for blurays, right?

For black issues here, they would be momentary (if distracting), but 3:2 applied would affect EVERYTHING you see with a bluray . . . I've found it's easiest to see with rolling credits. I mean, it's like I'm drunk with very blurred vision, yes, it's that obvious with my JVC . . .

But, maybe this is for 90% TV viewing, in which case, there will be far fewer instances of black issues, I am led to believe, or guess . . .

Talk to ya tomorrow!
 
STRONGBADF1

STRONGBADF1

Audioholic Spartan
I'll get back to you around Thanksgiving time. :p No time right now, and then if and when I have an amplifier arriving, it's subwoofer time.

I'll read a few more pages tomorrow.

Which Samsung interests you the most?

You do understand the whole 3:2 thing, and why we would want to avoid that for blurays, right?

For black issues here, they would be momentary (if distracting), but 3:2 applied would affect EVERYTHING you see with a bluray . . . I've found it's easiest to see with rolling credits. I mean, it's like I'm drunk with very blurred vision, yes, it's that obvious with my JVC . . .

But, maybe this is for 90% TV viewing, in which case, there will be far fewer instances of black issues, I am led to believe, or guess . . .

Talk to ya tomorrow!
I was just kidding. You have been extremely helpful (as usual) already.:)
 
Patrukas777

Patrukas777

Senior Audioholic
Strongbadf1...did you decide on a television yet?
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

Audioholic Slumlord
Great thread. I just skimmed over it to make sure that I didn't actually learn anything other than that Doug is cheap and indecisive. :)
 
STRONGBADF1

STRONGBADF1

Audioholic Spartan
I've been busy with life so;)...No I didn't get a TV yet.:) (I'm leaning toward the 58" V10 though)



Great thread. I just skimmed over it to make sure that I didn't actually learn anything other than that Doug is cheap and indecisive. :)
You already knew I'm Cheap and indecisive.:D
 
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
It's a flicker thing right? I haven't noticed anything with my S1 and a PS3.
It would be more accurate to call it judder. Flicker . . . wait let me get to that . . .

Film (bluray) is recorded in 24fps (23.976 or something like that), and television is at 60fps. So, many TVs handle 60 frames just fine, as a 60hz unit.

How do they get 24 to fit nicely into 60, though? They jimmy in 4 frames from the bluray into 10 frames for the TV. Nope, it doesn't fit quite right, and there is some blending of different frames into any particular frame. Now, it may not be offensive at all to you, as many people live with this. Especially if it is a modestly sized unit, placed far away.

But, a unit like the V10 can output at 72 hz (IIRC), and that is basically your 24fps x 3, fitting in perfectly (and they would call that 3:3 pulldown).

Back to flicker, some people would notice that at 48hz (2:2) as the refresh rate itself is not quite high enough (but then some would say it could be argued as that much closer to the real thing in a movie theater). At 72, and beyond, it's a non-issue. There are units that do 96hz, or of course the 120hz. 120hz is a nice figure, because both 60 and 24 fit into it perfectly.


Again, if you watch like 90% TV, and are indeed pinching pennies, I wouldn't worry about it. For someone like me where it's 99% bluray, it's something I will happily pay for. It's easiest to see with rolling credits, IMO.

When you are next at a friend's place with a 48/72/96/120 capable TV + bluray, or even at a store, ask to play with bluray player menu. Output at 60, and output at 24. Not all TVs can accept 24p, though.

If you went cheaper than these Panny's you're considering, you have to beware the mega BS displays that tout 120hz, yet are STILL applying 3:2 pulldown to make 24 into 60, then doubling that 60 (2:2) into 120. Multiple manufacturers have done this. If that was confusing, lemme try again, 120 SHOULD equal 24x5, but that's not what they are doing in these bs cases. I hopefully believe that this is becoming rarer and rarer, and maybe it will soon be completely non-existent. Better still check though. ;)
 

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