Owning Multiple Speakers Is Nice

[Gordonj]

So I am about to receive a pair of Tannoy Revolation Signature DC6T speakers and TS2.10 sub from the manufacture to play with and keep! I do not know anything about Tannoy's home stuff, have any of you guys played with them at all?

Gordon

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

So I am about to receive a pair of Tannoy Revolation Signature DC6T speakers and TS2.10 sub from the manufacture to play with and keep! I do not know anything about Tannoy's home stuff, have any of you guys played with them at all?

Gordon

For free? Lucky you.

Where can I get some of those to play with and keep?

Drivers: One 1" Titanium Dome Tweeter, Concentric with 6" Paper Cone Midrange, One 6" Paper Cone Woofer

Seems similar to KEF's.

 

[3db]

You just earned the Audioholic's Lab rat position seeing as you have so many speakers. For the first experiment, how long does it take to not listen to a spekaer before it becomes fresh again?

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

You just earned the Audioholic's Lab rat position seeing as you have so many speakers. For the first experiment, how long does it take to not listen to a spekaer before it becomes fresh again?

I'm going to say a minimum of two months.

Like they say, you never know what you got until it's "gone". So I think two months will seem like it's "gone".

And guys, let's not compare speakers to wives; it makes me feel like a Mormon.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

One thing most of us appreciate is the subwoofer. Or multiple subwoofers.

To me, it doesn't matter how many speakers and what speakers I have, it seems like something is missing unless I pair the speakers with the subs.

Right now I'm pairing the P362 with Velodyne SC-600 subs ($200 each delivered, retail $550 each) I got from eBay. I place 3 of them behind my 73" DLP in my family room.

http://velodyne.com/subwoofers/sc-600-if-ic-in-floor-or-ceiling.html

I'm powering the 3 Velodyne with an old OSD 225wpc x 2ch 4ohm amp.

http://www.amazon.com/OSD-Audio-AMP300-Dual-Source-Definition/dp/B0028VG8QE/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1342617097&sr=1-1&keywords=osd+amp

It has those old A+B speaker selection. So pressing in both A & B will output to 4 speakers at a time. Also has gain controls from -12dB to +12dB. Cool I think. Not "reference" quality subs at that price, but they seem quite tight compared to the BIC PL-200 (designed by HSU).

Anyway, I think the SQ from the P362 + Velodyne subs is probably better than the B&W 802D without any subs at all if it were a double-blinded test, and the music is pop/rock/jazz with good bass.

But, paired with some good subs, the B&W 802D can sound great.

There is a guy on AVS who owns B&W 802D + Rotel components, but no subwoofer. He said his room is large, I think greater than 20' x 20'. He said it has good acoustics. And he tried different placements. But the 802D just lacks that punchy bass.

Yes, the 802D lacks punchy bass. No kidding. So I said he needed dual subs.

But he keeps on saying he needs better amps than Rotel, he said like Parasound. He thinks amps will improve the bass.

Kal Rubinson from Stereophile disagrees with me saying that it could be amps, placements, acoustics. Even though Kal Rubinson pairs his 800D with subs.

Gotta have subs, right?

 

[Irvrobinson]

Gotta have subs, right?

I never would have thought I would agree, but I'm completely sold on subs, even for music only. I wouldn't consider a system without one. End of story. Fortunately I got the religion just as we're entering what looks to be a golden age of sub performance.

 

[billy p]

ADTG....you advocate PD or 2 ch listening yet you say you prefer subs for music...am I missing something here?

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

ADTG....you advocate PD or 2 ch listening yet you say you prefer subs for music...am I missing something here?

I advocate bypassing all EQ & RC & DSP, like Direct Mode.

But I listen to Stereo 2.1.

It is easier to say "PD" than say "use Stereo 2.1 bypassing all EQ & RC & DSP".

I know......kind of lazy on my part.

I've compared "Stereo 2.1 bypassing all EQ & RC & DSP" vs "PD". I couldn't tell a difference at all, except "Stereo 2.1 bypassing all EQ & RC & DSP" has much better bass.

 

[Gordonj]

For free? Lucky you.

Where can I get some of those to play with and keep?

Drivers: One 1" Titanium Dome Tweeter, Concentric with 6" Paper Cone Midrange, One 6" Paper Cone Woofer

Seems similar to KEF's.

Lucky in deed!

Very, very similar.... In fact it makes you wonder some.... They are even both UK companies..... hmmm

Well I guess I will find out.

Gordon

 

[Gordonj]

Gotta have subs, right?

Without you just miss the impact and low extension. There is so much information that can be missed without subs.

 

[billy p]

I advocate bypassing all EQ & RC & DSP, like Direct Mode.

But I listen to Stereo 2.1.

It is easier to say "PD" than say "use Stereo 2.1 bypassing all EQ & RC & DSP".

I know......kind of lazy on my part.

I've compared "Stereo 2.1 bypassing all EQ & RC & DSP" vs "PD". I couldn't tell a difference at all, except "Stereo 2.1 bypassing all EQ & RC & DSP" has much better bass.

Understood... just making sure...I too prefer PD or 2.1 without any EQ....

Looking forward to your impressions of the FA subs....thinking of elevating to one of those maybe down the road....

Cheers...Bill

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Understood... just making sure...I too prefer PD or 2.1 without any EQ....

Looking forward to your impressions of the FA subs....thinking of elevating to one of those maybe down the road....

Cheers...Bill

I believe my dual FA-18.0 should be shipping any day now. They will be paired w/ Salon2.

I'm excited to see how good they sound. Of course, I'm not going to be pushing them very hard, which they are very capable of. Rather, I'll be more interested in their sound quality.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Family Room

I've never showed my poor family room before.

Here are some pics of my Mitsubishi 73" DLP, P362, Velodyne SC-600, Denon AVR-990, OSD-300 amp.

 

[Jeff R.]

As the brilliant philosopher Puff Daddy said...."Mo Money Mo Problems "

 

[macddmac]

2.1 one in theater+ bar 2.1= bliss while sitting in between (behind the bar) ..with a cold IPA of course

 

[templemaners]

Very stealthy with the Velodynes...

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Listening to Phil3 now in their new environment and configuration - Denon AVR-990 & dual Velodyne subs. The soundstage seems larger since they are further apart and in a bigger. The Velodyne have tight bass. Without the AT2004 amp, which has a 34dB gain, I can see the "inefficiency" of the Phil3. I had to increase the speaker channel level to +6dB just to reach 75dB in this room. But no problems. 100% dead silent with the +6dB increase gain. And sounds awesome. Awesome as ever. Proper channel level matching crucial.

Listening to Anne-Sophie Mutter play Beethoven violin concertos now. Plenty of dynamic sweeps. Gentle passages to loud peaks. Plenty of headroom on the Denon AVR-990 without a external amp.

My wife hasn't even noticed these red shiny speakers in the living room yet. Stealthy am I.

 

[KEW]

Listening to Phil3 now in their new environment and configuration - Denon AVR-990 & dual Velodyne subs. The soundstage seems larger since they are further apart and in a bigger. The Velodyne have tight bass. Without the AT2004 amp, which has a 34dB gain, I can see the "inefficiency" of the Phil3. I had to increase the speaker channel level to +6dB just to reach 75dB in this room. But no problems. 100% dead silent with the +6dB increase gain. And sounds awesome. Awesome as ever. Proper channel level matching crucial.

Listening to Anne-Sophie Mutter play Beethoven violin concertos now. Plenty of dynamic sweeps. Gentle passages to loud peaks. Plenty of headroom on the Denon AVR-990 without a external amp.

My wife hasn't even noticed these red shiny speakers in the living room yet. Stealthy am I.

Just to get a sense of this (for my future Phil3's), How large is your room?
so you felt like the AVR-990 (120W and 5 channels) was adequate for this room?
I definitely plan to use a more powerful amp, but I am wondering if my AVR can act as a stop gap measure - at least until I want these speakers to let loose.

Thanks,
Kurt

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Just to get a sense of this (for my future Phil3's), How large is your room?
so you felt like the AVR-990 (120W and 5 channels) was adequate for this room?
I definitely plan to use a more powerful amp, but I am wondering if my AVR can act as a stop gap measure - at least until I want these speakers to let loose.

Thanks,
Kurt

My room is 18' x 20' x 12' ceiling, open on 3 sides.

The Phil3 are NOT very sensitive. I had to increase the speaker channel levels on my Denon 990 (twin of 3310/3311/3312) to +6.0 to achieve the 75dBC from 9ft away on the SPL meter.

I'm listening to Beethoven Piano Concertos now on my server. At -20.0 volume, it is quite loud and dynamic with excellent headroom I think going from soft to very loud peaks in a heartbeat with ease.

On Dire Straights' Brothers in Arms album, -25.0 volume is loud.

 

[ratso]

while i would love to make fun of you, ADTG (for your obvious sickness) - i think i may be in a similar boat here. i fell in love, unfortunately, with the new focal utopia line. which cost as much as ocelot lips gloves unfortunately. so as i pondered my future HT (way, WAY down the road), i was wondering if i could somehow swing even the cheapest of floorstanders - the viva, which i have heard, and love, and is $25,000 a pair

so, i have been browsing agon, and utopia's do show up every once in a while. but even used, probably out of my price range. should i someday ditch my salks, which i also love? and save for years, i mean we buy cars and that costs $25K right? ahh, probably all for naught.

except for... the little baby bookshelf utopia diablo. i have never heard these. and i have never owned bookshelf's. but they come up used on agon. and they are expensive, but do-able. and i own dual subs, so how much would i give up compared to the bigger floor standers? some reviews say it will get you a big piece of the bigger utopia's sound in a small package. i could fit them riggghhhht next to my salks in a HT, a simple cable change and presto! two speakers to switch between. and if they don't work out, back on agon they could go. maybe you're on to something here, acu....