Outrageous rebranding

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Seriously, I have no life.
The one thing many don't know or realize is that many manufacturers don't make what they sell, in all cases. VCR sellers often sold units that were exactly the same as other brands, with different paint and face panels. Panasonic made them for RCA, Quasar, some Sanyo, Magnavox and many others- these were no different, in any way but the difference this time is that there wasn't such a premium added to the price. It's like Linn Audio selling Dayton and Behringer amps without changing the logo and saying they had been modified by some expert, or another. I don't care what they did to these amps or BD players- using the same chassis and most of the rest but charging ten times the normal price is BS.
 
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tom67

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Yeah, I agree...thanks and there is a large thread on the DVD forum here....my intent was to congratulate Audioholics for having the courage to expose this nonsense...my other audio site would avoid knocking a potential customer...
 
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Yeah, I agree...thanks and there is a large thread on the DVD forum here....my intent was to congratulate Audioholics for having the courage to expose this nonsense...my other audio site would avoid knocking a potential customer...
Right, and to Gene's credit, the whole reason he started this was to get rid of the BS that comes along with this industry. The difference is that he has the technical background to back up his opinions and thoughts that so many "experts" don't have. Unfortunately, many of the people who seemed to be honest and intelligent in the past, no longer have a problem with taking money to shill equipment, parts and accessories that are questionable at best, and fraudulent, at worst. The other sites and magazines would lose too many advertisers if they were honest.
 
Adam

Adam

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I was thinking about rebranding a cologne, but I think that the name might be misleading.

"Adam - For Men." :eek: :D

(Seriously, though, good article. Doesn't affect me, as I'll never drop $3500 for a blu-ray player. The aluminum face plate is nice looking, though.)
 
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tom67

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Surprised they still have the add....they sell high end to sophisticated consumers who are most likely to research a product than say a Toshiba Blue Ray buyer... I would think they would pull the product pending concocting their mea culpa....don't think you could spin yourself out of something this blatant...gonna be some mad owners and per the review here, they dont even have the firmware upgrades that Oppo offers to correct some existing problems....
 
bandphan

bandphan

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For some, they will purchase the unit based solely on the relationship with their dealer and never care to research the unit.
 
GlocksRock

GlocksRock

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That is pretty amazing, but I can't say that I'm surprised. Wouldn't there be some kind of patent or copyright infringement going on there that Oppo would have some legal grounds to sue?
 
bandphan

bandphan

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That is pretty amazing, but I can't say that I'm surprised. Wouldn't there be some kind of patent or copyright infringement going on there that Oppo would have some legal grounds to sue?
sue who? Oppo parent company OEMs the product.
 
Kai

Kai

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This has been discussed and reviewed quite a bit lately.
There have been some great podcasts about it at AVRant and the HDTV and Home Theater podcast.
While rebranding has been going on for a long time this is just not a "rebranding" issue. It is also an issue of a company buying a device, that sells retail online for $500, removing the case and dropping that case into their own case and selling it for 7 times the price. It is exactly the same device in another case.
They also tout it as THX certified. It failed a portion of the audio testing, sub area, and should not have been "certified". Lexicon and THX have gotten around this by stating that the "video" portion of the player has been certified. What ??? It says THX certified not THX video only certified. That smacks of false advertising.

The BD player was given glowing reviews by a specific reviewer and apparently never looked at the set or did any testing. The reviewer said it was even better than Oppo's higher end BD player when it was the exact same player as Oppo's lower end model...What ???

Whether "rebadging" is the norm or manufacturers use varied parts from a specific supplier, power supply, drive unit, crossover, etc. may be also the norm this is not the case in my thinking. This is someone lying about a product and selling that product for an obscene price over the original product. It is all about trust. We find a brand we love and tend to stick with that brand because we trust them to make a good product and sell it for its' value. This is not the case.

I certainly do not have the budget to buy gear in this price range but were I in such a position my trust of the company would be gone and so would my business.
 
GlocksRock

GlocksRock

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sue who? Oppo parent company OEMs the product.
Well in that case oppo should rebrand their own player and do exactly what Lexicon did, but charge $500 less. Maybe call it the Lexipro or something similar.
 
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Seriously, I have no life.
That is pretty amazing, but I can't say that I'm surprised. Wouldn't there be some kind of patent or copyright infringement going on there that Oppo would have some legal grounds to sue?
Not if Oppo buys it from a third party and doesn't own the patents. A lot of what's in a receiver or DVD/CD/BD player isn't designed by the seller or "manufacturer". For that matter, many "manufacturers" don't make much of what they sell- they buy it from a third party who has a plant in China or some other country and slap their name on it. Many of the audio and video boards are made by the companies that made the processor chips- who better to exploit the possibilities of that chip? The power supply isn't usually anything special and could be designed by someone in an Associate's Degree electronics program. The remote control usually comes from the company that makes the control chip (often, URC, UEI or Celodon). The rear panel may, or may not, be designed by someone at the company selling it and calling it their own.

Besides- Oppo doesn't have the cool billet aluminum face plate.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

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The one thing many don't know or realize is that many manufacturers don't make what they sell, in all cases. VCR sellers often sold units that were exactly the same as other brands, with different paint and face panels. Panasonic made them for RCA, Quasar, some Sanyo, Magnavox and many others- these were no different, in any way but the difference this time is that there wasn't such a premium added to the price. It's like Linn Audio selling Dayton and Behringer amps without changing the logo and saying they had been modified by some expert, or another. I don't care what they did to these amps or BD players- using the same chassis and most of the rest but charging ten times the normal price is BS.
I don't see anything on the Linn site that remotely resembles a Behringer amp in specification. What is the evidence for your statement?
 
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I don't see anything on the Linn site that remotely resembles a Behringer amp in specification. What is the evidence for your statement?
Not the Scottish Linn, Linn Audio of New Hampshire. Someone started a thread about them last week. I find their kind of business practices disgusting and I find it hard to believe they could put anything in their version of the A500 to make it worth anything close to the price they ask.

http://123triadpro.com/triad09/linn_audio/version-1/amplifiers.html
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

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Not the Scottish Linn, Linn Audio of New Hampshire. Someone started a thread about them last week. I find their kind of business practices disgusting and I find it hard to believe they could put anything in their version of the A500 to make it worth anything close to the price they ask.

http://123triadpro.com/triad09/linn_audio/version-1/amplifiers.html
Thanks! I never heard of that outfit. I guess I'm too Eurocentric. He did not disguise that Behringer did he? He is is a brazen bloke, which one might expect of an old JBL salesman.

His speakers are a real mess promoted with knee deep manure.

He does not say his crossovers are first order, but he makes a big play of using very few crossover components so I suspect they are first order.

Then he gets MTM all mixed up. Woofers top and bottom then two tweeters and a horn midrange in the middle! The lobing response has to be really ugly.
 

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