Oppo Digital OPDV971H

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Jcenzo

Enthusiast
Anyone have any experience with this new up-converting "HD" DVD player? The DCDi process by Faroudja is very interesting. It is a C-note cheaper than the Samsung DVD-HD941 and is actually available. I’m going to use it with my 61-inch JVC D-ILA TV and have not found any reviews.
 
R

RaveD

Audiophyte
Did you ever get the player?

I'm wondering if it works with your JVC. I'm about to purchase the Oppo for my D-ILA...
 
We are going to be reviewing the next generation version of this player shortly (I believe it is scheduled for a May release). We first saw it at CES 2004:

http://www.audioholics.com/ces/CEStransports/OppoDV971HDVDplayer.php

I was impressed from the start after I understood the specs and spoke with one of their Vice Presidents about their desire to enter the US market. They seem very much interested in doing things the right way and making an excellent product.
 
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Mark_TS

Audiophyte
Clint-can you clarify-the Url leads to the currently available Player-what news do you have on a new version-May release?
As good as the current model sounds from reviews, I would like to get V.2 of this Player, if it is not too long a wait...thanks
 
H

hulinning

Audiophyte
How does it work with jvc using hdmi???

Hi,
Has anyone try the dvd with JVC-D-ILA yet?
I just order my oppo dv971h. It will ship sometimes next week since they just run out and have a big shipment from China. They still have to deal with custom.

I wonder how they pass legal things that a dvd with HD OUTPUT using DVI without hdcp.

Thanks
 
WndrBr3d

WndrBr3d

Full Audioholic
I ordered my Oppo player last week.

They're tracking the list of known issues with the Oppo player in another forum. Oppo Digital seems very "on the case" as far as updating the firmware and fixing issues.

There's the list:

UPDATED List of Oppo Firmware Defects (in approximate order of severity):
CURRENT DEFECTS:


1. The warm-up issue is completely gone since the hardware fix, but 1080i sync still remains a problem for many displays. Some displays have no problem at all, others experience wobbling/shaking of the image, and some experience worse symptoms.

2. Sharpness control. Still some vertical edge enhancement on the “Low” setting. Check wishlist item #1 (adds edge enhancement when enabled).
DVI Shimmering. Near-vertical high-contrast lines are not rendered smoothly. Such lines appear jagged, breaking into smaller line-segments with white edge enhancement next to each segment. When the camera pans slowly in any direction, those segments seem to “crawl” up or down the vertical lines. Multiple parallel lines draw attention to this artifact very dramatically because every line-segment “crawls” simultaneously, and from a distance, the image appears to be “shimmering”. Affects PAL and NTSC.

3. Faroudja's “Cross Color Suppression” feature should be user-selectable (ON/OFF) via menu. The default should be OFF, to prevent image flickering. However, the CCS feature does have benefits with some types of viewing material.

4. Flickering - minor random twitching of all (or parts) of the image on some material, often seen on the edges of white motionless text (this may be related to the Cross Color Suppression?)

5. Faroudja's "macroblock enhance" bug. Macroblocking appears on some DVD’s as an artifact of heavy MPEG compression. It is normally very subtle, but the Faroudja chip greatly exaggerates it, so that it becomes obnoxiously distracting on some displays. Panasonic has recently worked with Faroudja to reduce this problem to some degree in their player. Apparently, it cannot be fixed altogether. Macroblocking looks like patches of moving/pulsating off-color blocks, and is most often seen on background walls and floors, in mist, and in fade-in/fade-out scenes.

6. Faroudja's intermittent VIDEO delay (lip-sync) problem. Only occurs on the DVI output. Video suddenly begins to lag the audio (badly) at an arbitrary point during DVD playback. Sync will be temporarily restored if you pause the DVD, and then resume play. Some DVD’s are worse than others, but the problem is entirely random, and usually cannot be repeated by rewinding the scene that triggered it.

7. A/V sync becomes progressively worse when fast-forwarding Divx files. Some Divx files with VBR-mp3 audio work fine for the first few seconds, and then audio becomes intermittent (video remains OK).

8. In DVI Wide/SQZ mode, the vertical stretch for 1.5x (and higher) zooms is not quite enough to maintain the correct image proportions. Currently, a perfect circle/square, recorded on a non-anamorphic DVD, is not displayed correctly when zooming to 1.5x and above. DVD pixels are not square, so for a DVI (square-pixel) display, it is necessary to zoom more in the vertical direction than the horizontal.

9. DVI Wide/SQZ mode is losing horizontal resolution on 4:3 material with 1x zoom. This may be because the Mediatek chip squeezes the image for the analog outputs before the Faroudja chip scales the image for the DVI output. Full resolution is restored as soon as you use the zoom.

10. Does not automatically display the DVD subtitle-set containing the translation for brief foreign dialog. DVD’s like Hidalgo and Star Wars have this extra subtitle. Oppo defaults to ALL subtitles OFF.

11. Uneven color output over component.

12. Will not pass "blacker-than-black" over component.

WISHLIST:

1. Faroudja's “TrueLife Detail Enhancement” feature should be user-selectable via menu. The default should be OFF. This feature evidently adds edge enhancement when enabled, even on the minimum setting.

2. The angle-mode icon should be user-selectable (ON/OFF) via menu. Some DVD’s have lots of alternate angles recorded, so the icon pops up continuously throughout the movie.

3. Memory to recall your place on the current disc after powering off. Useful to continue watching a movie where you left off previously. To prevent it becoming a nuisance, the memory should be cleared when opening the tray (to remove the disk), or pressing stop twice (as it currently does).

4. Discrete remote commands for power-on and power-off. Makes it easier for universal remotes to control the player without having to keep track of power status.

5. While displaying DVD stills, the pause button sometimes causes a chapter-skip or causes the player to temporarily stop responding to remote commands (particularly in the Avia test patterns).

6. Random/shuffle option for music CD's.

7. Gamma adjustment.
 
H

hulinning

Audiophyte
Oppo with JVC-HD61Z575 results

Hi all,
I just got my dvd on may 3,2005 and test it with my jvc-hd61z575.

My current dvd player is cyberhome progressive player.
I play oppo at 720p with dvi and compare it with cyberhome dvd player through component output at 480p

There is no different in video quality.
There are some introduction screens of Lord of the ring that oppo player does not provide as smooth as cyberhome dvd and you can tell that by just looking at the display characters ( still images) not as sharp as cyberhome.

What I think is since my jvc is already scale all input signals to native signal at 720p. So it does not matter I scale the signal before feeding into my jvc or not, it all displays at 720p and since opp dvd scaling engine eventually get the same video quality at 720p as my jvc, you will not see any improvement in picture quality.

So I decide to return my oppo since there is no point to buy $200 dvd without any improvement in video quality.
Except this opp player can play divx, but that costs too much for just playing divx files. I would consider Buffalo, IOData, and Zensonic (with HDMI output and available in September).

It might be good for anyone who has monitor or tv that can accept hd signal but without internal scaling engine or scaling is not better than oppo.

I decide to wait for true HD-DVD players that will introduce this year end.


See
 
There are certain things that need to be understood when testing DVD players against each other:

  • either the TV or the DVD player is providing deinterlacing, and 2:3 pulldown from the source DVD - you need to know which and ensure you are looking at the DVD player, not the display
  • looking at a static picture tells you very little - especially a CG DVD menu
  • what you are looking for is "real" resolution differences - which could be hidden by poor settings on your display, and
  • noise reduction - which you will see when observing large patches of colored areas on the scren (think skylines or closups of smooth surfaces)
  • how does each player process diagonal and in-motion lines such as flags, edges, etc when going across the scene?
  • how fast does the player lock on to new cadences and combinations above the above?
Now you know a little of what we go through to test players. While I don't have this unit yet, your testing methodology is inadequate to determine if the player was even marginally better, let alone testing its full capabilities.

Live and learn - and ask LOTS of questions! :)

Cyberhome makes some nice entry-level players. Perhaps they will come out with some product soon that pay a little more attention to video processing in the near future. Their portable DVD players are great for the kids!
 
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revjb

Enthusiast
I have had my Oppo player for a week now... and here are some comments:

previous player: Samsung HD841 at 720p using DVI
TV: Samsung TX-P3075WH

1. there is a noticeable difference in video playback through the DVI connection without rigorous testing with patterns, etc.; there is less edge enhancement compared to the Samsung, better gradation of grayscale tones, less jaggies. I make these comments from doing scene comparisons A/B style using these movies (all played at 720p):

Master and Commander (opening sequence),
Star Wars Episode IV (tatooine),
Spartacus [criterion edition] (ending -- crucifixion),
Les Enfants du Paradis[criterion edition](opening sequence with the crowd),
Sanjuro [criterion edition](end fight sequence) .

2. playback of other formats

I have not had any problems playing these formats except for noted quirks (listed below).

DVD-R (1:1 copy) : no issues
DVD-R (recompressed 80% - 90% from original source) : sound trailing, audio drop out when fast forwarding / reversing and playing scene
DVD+R (1:1 copy) : no issues
DVD+R (recompressed 80% - 90% from original source) : sound trailing, audio drop out when fast forwarding / reversing and playing scene
AVI [4:3] (CDR burned at 48x) : selecting reverse on remote restarts the file from beginning, screen size selection does NOT resize output
AVI [16:9 -- from HD source] (CDR burned at 32x) : no issues. awesome image.

One additional comment -- I get serious haze / incorrect image when I switch the player to 1080i. I've heard that the player has some issues with certain TVs so just a warning out there. I personally prefer 720p so it was no big deal but hopefully it is something they will upgrade / fix on their next firmware upgrade.

That's about it right now. I'll write more of a comprehensive collection of notes when I get the chance (most likely after this weekend).
 
R

revjb

Enthusiast
It's been about a month now since I first bought the player and I wanted to update my notes here. There aren't any outstanding issues with the player whatsoever. I have played DVD+Rs with AVI files (data disc format, 8x speed), DVD-R (movie format, 8x speed), commercial rental discs -- all without issues. The audio-trailing still occurs on certain CCE/recompressed discs but this is not a big issue for me. I have yet to install the new firmware hot patch that (I suspect) will take care of my 1080i issue I mentioned before.

I still wish the Oppo player can handle these issues:

1. Squeezing 4:3 AVIs when P/S or Wide/SQZ is selected from setup menu. It currently does not change aspect ratio on AVI playback

2. Gamma level adjustment through setup menu

3. change of layout / fonts in setup menu

4. offer a better remote (even at additional cost)

granted, these are very minor (except for #1). I am thoroughly impressed with this player and would recommend it to anyone who's had a bad experience with any player under $1000. I can't wait to see what they release next, especially with HD-DVD / Blu-Ray coming soon...
 
Mark_TS said:
Clint-can you clarify-the Url leads to the currently available Player-what news do you have on a new version-May release?
As good as the current model sounds from reviews, I would like to get V.2 of this Player, if it is not too long a wait...thanks
Obviously they've pushed back the date on this new player. Since it's changed several times I'm holding off on making any futher release date predictions. They seem to be indicating a desire to sell through more of these original units before they release the next model.
 
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