I agree with zuke for very obvious reason, I used to have the F3 and they are good speakers and all but I thougth they were too boomy and they didn't sound very clear, I had them paired with the Sub-12 that probably explains the boominess, but overall they were just ok, I will just probably look around, I know you mentioned that you wanted loud but you should also want clarity and what I got it's much cleaner and sound a lot nicer to me than my old klipsch, by the way just so you know how frustrated I was with them, I sold the 2 F3, sub-12 and C1 for $500. that is a steal.