Onyx x-ls vs. x-cs

[Seth=L]

What do you guys think about these two speakers? I was wondering how good the x-cs would serve as a pair of main speakers next to the x-ls. The x-cs are about 3 decibels more efficient and considering the drivers, probably a higher power handling. They are sealed instead of ported like the x-ls. I don't really care about the bass being less on the x-cs as I set my x-over high enough to where it makes limited difference. I also hate port noise, so if that is an issue then forget the x-ls. What I would like to do is get three of the x-cs for fronts and center and move my NHT 1.5s to the back, unless for some reason the NHTs sound better to me, but not likely.

I just want to be sure the x-cs is the better bargain.

 

[j_garcia]

I doubt you would hear any port noise with the X-LS unless you were really pushing them and had them set to large. I'm thinking about a new pair of speakers also and the same two are on my list....I'm leaning toward the X-CSs.

 

[Pianoman84d]

I have never heard any port noise on my X-LS. From all accounts, the X-LS and CS are both good choices. I don't think you can go wrong.

 

[jcPanny]

Onix X series

Only downside to the X-CS is they are big!
Order one for the center and a pair of X-LS. Set them up in your room and decide on another pair of X-LS for the rears or X-CS fronts with X-LS mains.
Or you could wait for the X-sls towers to come out and save money on stands. Can't lose either way. I am definately impressed with the Reference line from AV123.com

 

[Seth=L]

Well size is of no concern, just the best sound. I don't need extension on bass and if the x-cs are more efficient then for a few more bucks why not. So unless someone can convince me the x-ls sound better for fronts then I will likely get the x-cs.

 

[billnchristy]

I dont think you will hear any difference at all between the two except the X-CS are louder.

I used my X-CS as my mains until the Ferrari Red X-LS came...I dont miss them but they sure were opposing!!

Either one is a good choice.

 

[Seth=L]

I am drooling just thinking about it.

 

[Seth=L]

Do they not carry Emotivia anymore? Alll I saw was their B-stock.

 

[j_garcia]

No. They split up a few months ago. There is a thread on it.

 

[Sheep]

I'd stick with the X-LS. There could be that lobbing affect with the X-CS. WmAx knows the infinite details.

SheepStar

 

[Seth=L]

That stinks.

 

[Sheep]

That stinks.

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17072

Here, read this.

SheepStar

 

[Seth=L]

I was saying that stinks about Emotivia. WmAx said MTM reduces lobbing effect.

 

[silversurfer]

Actually, MTM can have a lobbing effect, but can be minimized by a lower mid to tweeter crossover point.

Also, the center lob is usually more than wide enough for the entire listening area.

 

[j_garcia]

My current speakers are all MTMs and I can tell you lobing is not an issue. It can be a trickier design, but it isn't so tough that there aren't plenty of good MTMs out there.

 

[Sheep]

That's great, but it doesn't answer the question whether or not the Onix X-CS speakers suffer from this.

SheepStar

 

[Seth=L]

Someone explain the lobing affect please.

 

[Pianoman84d]

I was saying that stinks about Emotivia. WmAx said MTM reduces lobbing effect.

Emotiva is out on their own now. They set up their own shop. It was explained on the av123 forum that the separation was mutual

you should be able to find them at http://www.emotiva.com/index.html

 

[j_garcia]

That's great, but it doesn't answer the question whether or not the Onix X-CS speakers suffer from this.

SheepStar

They were basically designed by the same guy...my guess would be the off axis response for the X-CS will be very good and lobing won't be an issue.

Someone explain the lobing affect please.

Basically, it is the M-T-M arrangement of the drivers - off axis, the two midbass drivers can create some combing, creating uneven response. If properly designed however, this should not be a major issue. You will generally not sit so far off axis that it is really a big problem also.

 

[silversurfer]

Here is another X-LS review:
http://www.goodsound.com/equipment.shtml