Only Klipsch is good???

Shadow_Ferret

Shadow_Ferret

Audioholic Chief
Actually, I was being sarcastic. :)

My thought is, if you listen to two high end speakers, one with a horn and one without, in a side by side blind test, I doubt if you could tell which one is the horn.
 
mulester7

mulester7

Audioholic Samurai
"I was at a party last year, and witnessed two Klipsch towers blow powered by a Yamaha 1400 receiver. They blew because they were being played for hours and probably with too much distortion"

.....TOUCHE', Buck....the ARCH ENEMY of our speaker elements pertaining to voice coils ESPECIALLY when we have our sounds cranked....AMPLIFIED DISTORTION....beware.....
 
mulester7

mulester7

Audioholic Samurai
.....sorry, guys....I'm having a terrible time moving around in this site and don't know if one posted until I get the only one every 300 seconds thing....yeah, I dressed it up, haha....sorry.....
 
mulester7

mulester7

Audioholic Samurai
.....O Contrare, Shadow, a large midrange horn element, about 15 inches long total, which is nothing but a driver screw-mounted on a bell, brings spl headaches, haha....the smaller horns in some of the recent Klipsch floor standing speakers might be a different story because they still have some "point", but have less spl parting your hair rapping your skull like blurred drumsticks of spl....and no, I don't own any Klipsch....I typed this one below last night at hotmail since I was up late being on vacation and a night owl when working hours permit, yeah, I almost saw the sun rise, haha, and I use it now because a portion of this thread has gone to midrange horns....I plug the Christmas CD again by the orchestra....bear with it.....




.....a fair and impartial observation....a friend of mine has a pair of older Klipsch LaScalas....and compliment of surround speakers including center that came as a gray plastic coverered package that ran about a thousand including sub....the LaScalas have the folded bass horn-transfer from one 15 inch woofer some of you have heard about...well, I never liked the folded horn bass of Klipsch big stuff....it didn't even come close to being enough bass for me without cranking the bass tone control to at least four o'clock....and then it got whompy....lot of confusion audible....here it is, I was being overwhelmed by sound pressure but feeling little individual oscillation....lack of oscillations actually "heard", much less felt....which, if you got it cranked, you need to hear and feel....we're talkin' individual oscillations, low end, 12th and Vine, tell 'em mule sent ya', haha.... anyhow, the LaScalas sounded VERY good to me....I loved that hair-parting midrange Klipsch fifteen inch horn compression pressure at first years ago....but back then, I would more and more quickly get literally "pressured" out with a headache, for real....anyhow the last, I took the Christmas CD by the Cincinnati Pops Orchestra over to Danny's to use to listen to his stuff....I knew how it sounded at one minute and 26 into the first selection every way from last tuesday on my system....he placed the, ahem, used, cheap, WRONG word considering content, inexpensive, CD on the spinning pad, turned the volume to a level he knew both of us liked to listen at, and his wife was out on the back deck with a neighbor lady....we stood back as the beautiful handbells established the rhythm on the first selection, The First Noel, and the principal horn player and his second, duet the first verse and chorus and it's gorgeous....then the trumpets trio the second verse and most of the chorus when the strings take the melody and COME OUT OF THE CLOUDS WITH IT, are you with me?....at Danny's, sound pressure levels from the large mid horns were high again, as of old to me, as I listened, but you can't help but like that compression for a season...oh, he said later he had his 7 channel receiver set to 7 channel stereo....up to a minute and 26 into the first selection, I was walking around the room with my ear stuck in the surround speakers and heard nothing....I didn't listen to the center....the tone control for bass was set at +2 out of +12 he said....the sub went on down pretty well, I guess, (I now live in Cadillac Acres "Sub"division, arf, in the sub dept and can't help it, bear with me), but his sub was fuzzy a little, actually weak, but sorta' adequate, and you can bet your lungs it beat that folded horn bass aimed at me....I enjoyed the minute and 35 at Danny's....but when I got back home, ALL, the instruments were there again....funny, I specifically noticed the edge and brassiness of the bass trombone player....what happens at one minute 26 is, the strings, led by a glissando from the 1st violins, lead the orchestra as a whole into as sweet a sweet-spot as I have ever heard from an orchestra, and I ran the listening library back in college for appreciation classes and majors to listen to required listening that was to be tested by a brief interlude on test day and listened to probably 90% of what records the library had alphabitized in bins....yeah, vinyl....old fart....microscopic pieces of rubber/plastic being lopped off by a hard diamond stylus....eek, don't we love our lazer beams, haha.... no, I ain't posting a link again....go to amazon and type in Erich Kunzel and roll till you find the red paper with white ribbon and bow Christmas package....I ordered the cheapest used one they had that was about 8 bucks to my door....has sweet spots ALL the way through the CD....but that first one at one 26 is as good as it gets....I heard the magic on Danny's setup also....that's what really impressed me....I quit, and promise to never bring it up again, so help me Erich Kunzel.....
 
Rex

Rex

Audioholic
Rotarhead69 said:
When I hooked it up the the Klipsch (the reference system - there is a differnce from their other stuff) up they sounded ok. After I ran the auto setup which reequalized the speakers to the room - HUGE diffence - they now sound quite natrual with no sense or "horn" at all - and I DO know what "horn" sounds like.

The reason I got the Klipsch was that the large soundfield made my feel like I was more "in the action" verses watching it. But that is just how I see it.


just my 2 cents :p
Just a note here that I know what you're saying about the Klipsch. I heard this difference when comparing them with the KEF speakers side by side. The soundstage did sound bigger and more natural than KEF. The KEF made me feel like I was separate from the movie than apart of it. Mostly because the "horn" as you put it really stabbed at you. The highes were too high and bright. Not warm at all. The Klipsch did sound more normal I suppose.
 
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craigsub

Audioholic Chief
For good horn sound ...

Take a pair of Klipschorns and supply first class amplification and source. Go listen to some live jazz or classical, then listen to a properly set up Klipschorn system. The performers will be in the room - It was a sad day when I had to sell my corner horns, and even though I LOVE my Onix Ref 3's ... I still miss the sound of live music.
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
I have said it before.

The Klipsch Heritage line is a WHOLE other ballgame. :cool:
 
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craigsub

Audioholic Chief
zumbo said:
I have said it before.

The Klipsch Heritage line is a WHOLE other ballgame. :cool:
With McIntosh electronics ... GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD stuff ! ... :)
 
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chikoo

Audioholic Intern
Rotarhead69 said:
I'll chime in hear b/c I own Klipsch - but I use them for my HT system only. I also have Vandersteens running on Conrad Johnson amp for my 2ch setup for comparsion. It all comes down to a total system approach really. You cant just pick a speaker system without it being tied to a particular amp.

I agree that horn loaded system can sound bad (a bull horn is not geometrically the same animal as a speaker horn by the way, the speakers horn continually "slopes" away, a bullhorn doesn't, big acoustical difference) but concider this. I own a Denon 2805 receiver. When I hooked it up the the Klipsch (the reference system - there is a differnce from their other stuff) up they sounded ok. After I ran the auto setup which reequalized the speakers to the room - HUGE diffence - they now sound quite natrual with no sense or "horn" at all - and I DO know what "horn" sounds like.

The reason I got the Klipsch was that the large soundfield made my feel like I was more "in the action" verses watching it. But that is just how I see it.

But it is not correct to say that all "horn" speakers sound like horns. You have to look at the whole system, including room acoustics.

just my 2 cents :p
Ditto!

I have a pair of klipsch on the B channel that I switch too when I watch Movies. For listening to smooth music, I switch back to the A channel which feeds a pair of pretty low efficiency Infinity IL-30 speakers.
 
Tomorrow

Tomorrow

Audioholic Ninja
With respect to Craigsub, whose advice I very much appreciate...I haven't heard the very finest speakers that have (in the past) been offered by Klipsch.

But with all the Klipsch I have heard....after 20 minutes I'm ready to take an ice pick to my eardrums. :(
 
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awesomebase

Audioholic
Klipsch

I use Klipsch Reference series bookshelf speakers for my "mini" theater in my family room. I can say that they perform very well for music and movies, but I feel like they do better for movies. When properly configured, they provide an excellent sound-stage and you don't worry as much about finding a sweet-spot for watching because most areas provide plenty of detail. Having said that, there are a few downsides. One is that they tend to be what people here would call "bright". If you don't control that a little with your equalization parameters in your receiver, loud sound can get exhausting. Secondly, you need to get a good receiver. I'm using a Yamaha RX-V1500. It is a good receiver, but not well-matched for the Klipsch speakers because the Yamaha, though clean and detailed, does not produce as much of a "warm" sound as a Denon or Pioneer Elite.
Overall though, watching movies on this system is a blast! You'll have fun with it as well, just be sure to set it up properly.
 
neal702

neal702

Enthusiast
klipsch

I Think It All Depends On An Individuals Ears, I Have Had Most Of
My Klipsch Speakers For 15 Years, I Would Not Part With Them For Any Price. My Recievers On The Other Hand Are Traded On A Fairly Regular Basis. A Klipsch Speaker Has A Voice That I Personally
Love, And Can Pick Out Without Hesatation
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
I believe you on that "pick out" part. You know if something is that seperate from the norm, it has to be special.:D
 
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RanjeetRain

Enthusiast
Apply Horns Wisely

Klipsch speakers have a very natural and open sound. I can bet they sound the best in the class. Then again it depends on the ear and the reciever that is driving them. For people who like bright sound it would be pretty much okay.

As for efficieny and stuff, no ONE thing can server ALL purposes. Lets take this way. An aeroplane is great to fly from LA to NY but isn't great for buying grocery. A Klipsch speaker has a sound quality that suits some kind of people. Without putting BOSE and Klipsch into the same leauge or comparing them, I'd even say, people do like Bose sound. Klipsch sound is something a lot of people like, a whole lot of.

Klipsch speakers are great for what they come for and what they are meant for. If someone wanted speakers for prolonged usage at high volume levels, a Klipsch is a wrong choice. I would go with JBL or any such speaker for those kind of applications. Klipsch means high-fidelity home audio or surround theater, which means it will be used with a moderately capable receiver with normal home usage. Those looking for loud party usage should check the other models. Klipsch has more than one series, and some are meant for a particular purpose more than others.

As for the horn design, I don't see anything wrong with it. It achieves THE PURPOSE it it meant to achieve. Has anyone, who considers horns a bad design, tried to generate patterns of sound waves that typical instruments produce and how it is affected/altered by a horn design?

Let us face it. Our own vocal cords are kind of a horn. A clarinet uses a horn. A flute is a type of horn. Most instruments produce sound waves or add power to it utilising a horn design.

A horn may colorize the sound if the horns were long in design, or used metal as part of the horn body. I think Klipsch speakers do not use 20 inch horns. And if they sounded bad, they wouldn't sell.

It may be a matter of personal choice but there isn't anything necesarily wrong with horn design. And if it increases the dBs, then be it. It is good for a lot of people.
 
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indcrimdefense

Audioholic
i have klipsch rf-7 fronts & rf-5 rears, and the sound quality of is completely dependent on what components they are hooked to. with some rotel demo components i had this summer, it was simply awful, to the point that it literally made you wince. this is not to criticize rotel, i have heard rotel & b&w speaker combo that sounded very good. however with other components the speakers can sound fantastic. a friend was over this evening who is completely oblivious to my audio obsession, and while sting, all this time was on she looked at me and said it sounded as if the musicians were in the same room. i have also heard all the salesperson bs about how efficient my speakers are, but the more quality power i provide them the better they sound. current system is anthem avm 20, krell kav-2250 & cary audio dvd6. i purchased them due to the immense soundstage they were able to produce compared to other speakers i listened to in the same price range. the other speakers i listened to simply lacked the body, and sounded good but sterile and lifeless compared to the klipsch rf-7.

as for the horn tweeter, with the right components it can be beautiful, with the wrong components it can make your ears bleed. the hardest to get dialed in is vocals, primarily female vocals, but when you do, it can be a very rewarding listening experience.
 
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DwightRath

Audiophyte
What about the Klipsch THX Ultra2 Speaker System?

I have heard it get alot of praise as an excellent performer for HT, has anyone heard it or have any remarks about it?
 

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