Onkyo + Engery continued blown speaker problems..

[nutshellml]

Good morning all... i'm a newbie over here and i would consider myself somewhat educated in audio/video but by no means know it all, which is why i'm here looking for some advice....

My setup: Onkyo 607, Energy Take Classic 5.1, Monster Powercenter

About a month ago i had a party playing the music really loud and my powercenter shut down everything, maybe because it was getting hot... but the next day i realize that one of my energy speakers was blown, sent it back and they sent me a new one...

Now today, same scenario only worse, playing the music last night, almost at max volume, everything was fine, but now today seems as if 2 of my energy speakers are blown and the surround is not even putting out any sound...

Please help... Do you think that the receiver is cranking out too much power for the speakers causing them to blow? and i need to upgrade my speakers??

The overpower after playing for a while at high volume, everything is well ventilated, do you think i need to put a small fan over the receiver??

Thanks in advance for any advice!!!

 

[sholling]

It sounds to me like you're pushing the receiver too hard and those little speakers too hard. The Take Classics aren't designed to be party speakers, they were designed to be very entry level movie speakers for a tiny apartment or den. If you're playing the receiver at near full volume you're probably driving it so hard that it's clipping the signal and clipping will destroy a tweeter in short order. The only answers are a) lower volume, b) a more powerful receiver, c) higher sensitivity speakers, or all three.

 

[nutshellml]

but if i go w/ a more powerful receiver that would just blow the speakers again correct? wouldn't you recommend a better speakers and stay with the onkyo receiver? I'm not too up on everything, but what about buying two decent front floor standing speakers and then keeping the surrounds energy or equivalent for movies? and when 'partying' just play music through the front speakers...

 

[alphaiii]

but if i go w/ a more powerful receiver that would just blow the speakers again correct? wouldn't you recommend a better speakers and stay with the onkyo receiver? I'm not too up on everything, but what about buying two decent front floor standing speakers and then keeping the surrounds energy or equivalent for movies? and when 'partying' just play music through the front speakers...

Going with a more powerful receiver means you will be able to play the speakers louder without the amplifier clipping.

As sholling said, it's likely that clipping is the cause for blowing the speakers. It takes alot to blow a speaker from clean power... but if the amp is clipping, it's very easy to blow a driver.

If you want keep the Onkyo and get new front speakers, then you need to make sure the new speakers you get have higher sensitivity so they will play louder with less power demands on the receiver.... think Infinity or even better, Klipsch, if you want party volumes.

Just in case - what xover point did you set in your Onkyo? If that's too low, you'd be sending bass signals to the Takes that those little woofers can't play, and that'd be another way to damage the speakers.

 

[sholling]

but if i go w/ a more powerful receiver that would just blow the speakers again correct? wouldn't you recommend a better speakers and stay with the onkyo receiver? I'm not too up on everything, but what about buying two decent front floor standing speakers and then keeping the surrounds energy or equivalent for movies? and when 'partying' just play music through the front speakers...

I'd look for a pair of speakers with a sensitivity of at least 93db and 95db would be better. Basically a speaker with a sensitivity of 95db will play twice as loud for a given amount of power as a speaker that has a sensitivity of 90db. You're takes are rated at 89db.

Klipsch has several decent sounding products with sensitivity ratings of 95db or better. Or you can go with an all out pure party speaker like some Cerwin Vega models. CV has a few models that are designed to be the perfect dorm party speaker.

 

[TLS Guy]

Good morning all... i'm a newbie over here and i would consider myself somewhat educated in audio/video but by no means know it all, which is why i'm here looking for some advice....

My setup: Onkyo 607, Energy Take Classic 5.1, Monster Powercenter

About a month ago i had a party playing the music really loud and my powercenter shut down everything, maybe because it was getting hot... but the next day i realize that one of my energy speakers was blown, sent it back and they sent me a new one...

Now today, same scenario only worse, playing the music last night, almost at max volume, everything was fine, but now today seems as if 2 of my energy speakers are blown and the surround is not even putting out any sound...

Please help... Do you think that the receiver is cranking out too much power for the speakers causing them to blow? and i need to upgrade my speakers??

The overpower after playing for a while at high volume, everything is well ventilated, do you think i need to put a small fan over the receiver??

Thanks in advance for any advice!!!

So, you blew a speaker at a party, got the speaker replaced and blew more speakers at another party.

You blew those speakers by too much power, period. Those are puny cheap speakers and noway intended for the application you used.

For parties you big sensitive speakers with big well ventilated motor systems.

 

[highfigh]

Good morning all... i'm a newbie over here and i would consider myself somewhat educated in audio/video but by no means know it all, which is why i'm here looking for some advice....

My setup: Onkyo 607, Energy Take Classic 5.1, Monster Powercenter

About a month ago i had a party playing the music really loud and my powercenter shut down everything, maybe because it was getting hot... but the next day i realize that one of my energy speakers was blown, sent it back and they sent me a new one...

Now today, same scenario only worse, playing the music last night, almost at max volume, everything was fine, but now today seems as if 2 of my energy speakers are blown and the surround is not even putting out any sound...

Please help... Do you think that the receiver is cranking out too much power for the speakers causing them to blow? and i need to upgrade my speakers??

The overpower after playing for a while at high volume, everything is well ventilated, do you think i need to put a small fan over the receiver??

Thanks in advance for any advice!!!

You're trying to get more from your system than it can deliver. High volume and high speed are the same thing- if you want loud, buy loud and if you want to go fast, you need power/a platform that can deliver that power to the wheels.

Small speakers can be "loud", kind of. Bass makes it sound louder but human hearing isn't as sensitive at the high or low extremes as it is in the mid-range, so you'll need larger & more sensitive speakers in order to have parties like this.

Just because the volume control goes to 10 doesn't mean it's supposed to be set there- that's to allow developing rated power with signals that aren't at the same level as others, like a low output phone cartridge.

 

[3db]

Your cheapest soultion for a party is a couple of Cerwin Vegas. Your Onkyo should get them cranking really loud because of their high sensitivity. This is a party speaker..but its not very accurate in terms of sound quailty. But if loudeness is what matters most during a party, these will do quite nicely..

http://www.cerwinvega.com/home-audio/floorstanding-speakers/cls-12/cls-12.html

 

[PENG]

You blew those speakers by too much power, period. Those are puny cheap speakers and noway intended for the application you used.

Agree, far too often people jumped on the clipping band wagon, forgetting that some times we just have to accept the fact that too much power will blow those little ones, clipping or not, period..

 

[M Code]

Perhaps a car analogy is needed..

One can take a Nissan Sentra 4 Cylinder 2.4L rated @ 160HP and it will rev to 5500 RPM, and one can take it that high once and while...
Such as accelerating getting on the freeway in front of a big 18 wheeler, but it will not live long if the RPMs are kept @ 5500 RPM for long periods..
Regarding the loudspeakers, the smaller frame drivers cannot move enough air for high volume levels so pushing a smaller loudspeaker to constantly put out a higher SPL will simply destroy it...
And if the amplifier is clipping and being overdriven it will blow out even sooner..

If you expect the system to put out high SPL levels, you need to upgrade at least front L/R loudspeakers and add a higher powered amplifier at least for the (2) front channels.

Juts my $0.02..