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dlaloum

Audioholic Chief
Maybe I/we shouldn't be dismissive of Trump's bluster over Greenland.
Dismissive, no.... but Greenland/Denmark is a member of NATO, and that massively complicates the calculus, if not for Trump, then at least for many of his key advisors.
 
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GO-NAD!

Audioholic Warlord
Dismissive, no.... but Greenland/Denmark is a member of NATO, and that massively complicates the calculus, if not for Trump, then at least for many of his key advisors.
I pointed out in a previous post that Denmark's NATO membership "should" insulate Greenland from an American invasion. But, Trump's continuous disregard for the law, alliances and treaties is certainly sowing seeds of doubt.
 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Warlord
It's not like Trump hid the fact that he wanted Venezuela's oil... public statements on the topic in 2023!

Part of the problem for Trump has been that none of the US Oil companies are interested in the risk involved in building infrastructure in Venezuela... to easy for an organised guerilla force to blow up flammable installations!

So for there to be any commercial interest, you first need stability... kidnapping Maduro just provides an opportunity for his VP to step up - the cabinet, government, military etc... are all still in place.

Not clear as to what kidnapping Maduro achieves - other than giving Trump another excuse to bloviate
We got Saddam anyway.

I remember when someone said that after the Bush years. I remember thinking they were kind of correct given quite a few didn't think it was a good move to go into the Middle East to begin with. Well we got Maduro anyway. :p
 
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3db

Audioholic Slumlord
The Trump circus continues with Maduro. I find it ironic that a person cannot be charged and go under trial while they hold the office of president. This is another fatal flaw in the US constitution. Yet this law gets swept under the rug for Maduro? There seems two be laws running in the US, one for Trump, and one for the rest of the people. Trump broke international law and he's about to break two or 3 more. If Trump is not careful, he's going to push all his allies to China and the US will find itself all alone. Trump has to be removed from office.
 
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Mr._Clark

Audioholic Ninja
The Trump circus continues with Maduro. I find it ironic that a person cannot be charged and go under trial while they hold the office of president. This is another fatal flaw in the US constitution. Yet this law gets swept under the rug for Maduro? There seems two be laws running in the US, one for Trump, and one for the rest of the people. Trump broke international law and he's about to break two or 3 more. If Trump is not careful, he's going to push all his allies to China and the US will find itself all alone. Trump has to be removed from office.
Under U.S. law Trump has immunity for official acts taken while he is president. Even prior to the Supreme Court decision last year DOJ policy prohibited bringing criminal charges against a sitting U.S. president but that was policy, not law.

Under international law heads of state normally have diplomatic immunity against criminal charges brought by a different country. Maduro.will undoubtedly argue diplomatic immunity. A question in his case will be who decides if he is/was a head of state. The U.S. did not recognize Maduro as the head of state of Venezuala but his lawyers will undoubtedly argue that he stole the election fair and square (yes, that was intended to be a joke of sorts) and it is Venezualen law that controls.

I expect him to lose on this issue but it’s far from a slam dunk for the prosecution

Of course, all of the usual disclaimers apply because this is way outside my area of practice
 
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Under U.S. law Trump has immunity for official acts taken while he is president. Even prior to the Supreme Court decision last year DOJ policy prohibited bringing criminal charges against a sitting U.S. president but that was policy, not law.

Under international law heads of state normally have diplomatic immunity against criminal charges brought by a different country. Maduro.will undoubtedly argue diplomatic immunity. A question in his case will be who decides if he is/was a head of state. The U.S. did not recognize Maduro as the head of state of Venezuala but his lawyers will undoubtedly argue that he stole the election fair and square (yes, that was intended to be a joke of sorts) and it is Venezualen law that controls.

I expect him to lose on this issue but it’s far from a slam dunk for the prosecution

Of course, all of the usual disclaimers apply because this is way outside my area of practice
Whether or not the US government recognizes Maduro as head of state of Venezuela should be beside the point. "Normal" governments would submit an extradition request. If the request is granted, fine. If not, they're SOL. Being the biggest dog in the junk yard does not grant it any more rights, privileges or authority. We're seeing a turning back of the clock to a time when international law wasn't a thing.
 
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mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
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Of course, all of the usual disclaimers apply because this is way outside my area of practice
While that may be the case, you are our best sources for legal questions in general and legal explanations of what makes the news. ;) :D
 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Warlord
See that's why I wouldn't have been in support of ICE. My ma said there was some big shooting in Mpls with one dead. Close the borders and the rest get a free pass. :confused:
 
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See that's why I wouldn't have been in support of ICE. My ma said there was some big shooting in Mpls with one dead. Close the borders and the rest get a free pass. :confused:
Now Walz has issued a warning order to call out the Minn. National Guard. Can you imagine a confrontation between ICE and the NG?:oops:
 
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Mr._Clark

Audioholic Ninja
Whether or not the US government recognizes Maduro as head of state of Venezuela should be beside the point. "Normal" governments would submit an extradition request. If the request is granted, fine. If not, they're SOL. Being the biggest dog in the junk yard does not grant it any more rights, privileges or authority. We're seeing a turning back of the clock to a time when international law wasn't a thing.
In reality, it may be beside the point. I'd have to read the court filings, but it appears to me that the U.S. did recognize Hernandez as president of the Honduras, but it apparently didn't help his case.

>>>“As President of Honduras, Juan Orlando Hernández abused his power to support one of the largest and most violent drug trafficking conspiracies in the world, and the people of Honduras and the United States bore the consequences,” said Attorney General Merrick B. Garland. “Thanks to the diligent work of the Justice Department’s agents and prosecutors, Hernández will now spend more than four decades in prison. The Justice Department will hold accountable all those who engage in violent drug trafficking, regardless of how powerful they are or what position they hold.”<<< (emphasis added)


I'm not sure that not recognizing Maduro as head of state will ultimately make much difference. In legal terms, he's probably praebibo (Latin for toast) either way when it comes to an immunity defense (yes, that was another lame attempt at humor).

Of course, given that Trump pardoned Hernández, the issue is now moot in that case.

FWIW, as I see it, a claim of diplomatic immunity as a defense does not depend on the legality of the actions taken to bring the defendant into court. In other words, my understanding is that Maduro either has immunity or he doesn't, regardless of the circumstances of his capture. In theory Trump could face legal consequences for violating the law, but I don't see how that determination would create or destroy diplomatic immunity for Maduro.

The above is certainly not an in depth evaluation of the issues.
 
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Mr._Clark

Audioholic Ninja
Now Walz has issued a warning order to call out the Minn. National Guard. Can you imagine a confrontation between ICE and the NG?:oops:
I realize that's a rhetorical question, but unfortunately I can imagine it.

You probably saw the news that the U.S. Supreme Court did block Trump's deployment of the National Guard in Chicago.

>>>Last week, the Supreme Court issued its most important and authoritative ruling to date constraining the Trump administration’s use of executive power. Even more significantly, the vote was 6-3, with Justices Amy Coney Barrett and Brett Kavanaugh joining Chief Justice John Roberts and the Court’s three liberals to hold that Trump’s federalizing of the National Guard in and around Chicago was illegal. <<<


Granted, it's not a final ruling on the merits, but I highly doubt that Trump will prevail when court makes a final ruling.

Vladeck has a pretty good discussion of the case and the implications.


As an aside, I can't figure out what Kavanaugh is smoking.
 
William Lemmerhirt

William Lemmerhirt

Audioholic Overlord
Now Walz has issued a warning order to call out the Minn. National Guard. Can you imagine a confrontation between ICE and the NG?:oops:
I can’t wait for that moron to be removed from office. Yes. I do live in the state he is ruining.
They should take the idiotic mayor with too. He loves delivering speeches in Somalian, he should try it IN Somalia. He’d be killed…
 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Warlord
Looks like the woman blocked ICE with her vehicle. Then as the agent approached she tried to drive away so she was shot and killed. Unless she had a gun ah it's not looking too good for ICE. Hopefully this is the beginning of the end of Trump's march through cities. What a dumb era. :(
 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Warlord

From what I could gather this law enforcement expert was not quite telling the truth. If the one agent came to her driver door ah wasn't she trying to drive to the right to evade capture? Ah no he's saying she was trying to drive at the other agent straight ahead of her. Looked to me from that angle she was turning back right to get away LOL.
 
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