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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Oh, I'm quite aware of the picture - it ain't pretty. Who is it that you think should do something about it - "the people"? It's not like the Nike ad, "Just Do It". Uprisings against totalitarian governments rarely have positive outcomes. Americans, especially, should take heed. Saving democracy is not going to be easy - but, it'll be easier than trying to get it back when it's gone.

Oh, I'm not predicting America becoming China, or even Russia. But, Hungary isn't out of the question.
While many people are proving that they need to be told what to do and when, the rest don't want that and as you mentioned 'Frogging', a lot of people don't pay attention enough to see any of it. Just denying that Trump's efforts are causing problems is only part of it, but one of the cuts he and others want HAS been the target of many who commit fraud against it- Medicaid. The CNBC link shows that annual Medicaid fraud is in the $100B/year range and every year, they arrest someone for doing their part in this. It's not that it's ending, but it really needs to be made less prone to abuse, not cut or eliminated.

Far too many government programs are scammed annually, with many existing specifically to help low income people and the ones scamming aren't high on the income scale. How anyone can bring themselves to screw people who need assistance is beyond me.

It's the 'foot in the door' tactic used by many- the door is closing, but if the foot stops the door, it makes stopping whatever is being attempted more difficult.

This is why I have said and posted that the GOP, Congress, the election process and most government needs to be retooled, completely. The Constitution should remain, but we don't need career politicians, unilateral decisions and politicians certainly shouldn't be paid for influence.

A fish rots from the head.
 
Eppie

Eppie

Audioholic Ninja
Oh, I'm not predicting America becoming China, or even Russia. But, Hungary isn't out of the question.
And that really pains my heart. My grandmother was Hungarian and we visited there several years ago. Budapest is one of my favorite cities on the planet. What Orban has done to that country is a crime and I don't see things changing for the better any time soon.
 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Warlord
It appears if you protest against Israel on anything you can be arrested by officers in regular clothing. I've gotta retire from that Saagar guy. I'm not authoritarian, but...... Ridiculous. :(
 
GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

Audioholic Warlord
Opinion: There won’t be a price to pay for imperilling U.S. security on Signal - The Globe and Mail

At first the Signal scandal was all about the comedy: A top-secret conversation among senior Trump administration officials regarding an imminent U.S. military strike in Yemen, effortlessly infiltrated by the editor of The Atlantic, Jeffrey Goldberg, who was inadvertently invited to join the chat – on Signal – by the President’s national security adviser, Michael Waltz.

Trump spokespeople, official and unofficial, have attempted to keep the focus there. Who amongst us has not at one time mistakenly added someone to a mailing list? Maybe one of Mr. Waltz’s staff was responsible. Or maybe Mr. Goldberg somehow wormed his way onto the chat by some subterfuge.

A moment’s thought, however, was enough for anyone not actually on the Trump payroll, officially or unofficially, to understand that this wasn’t the point. Whether Mr. Goldberg was invited or whether he invited himself, how could such a top-level discussion, on such a sensitive subject, be so easily penetrated?

Which is to say, what on Earth were all these senior Trump officials – 18 of them, including not only Mr. Waltz but the Vice President, JD Vance, the Secretary of Defense, Pete Hegseth, the Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, the director of the CIA, John Ratcliffe, and the director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard – doing discussing plans for a military attack … on Signal?

The app itself isn’t the issue: its encryption is regarded as first-rate. It’s the implication: an app is something you put on your cellphone. And a cellphone can easily be compromised by any self-respecting intelligence service. For this reason, conversations of this sort are usually discussed in the White House Situation Room. Or, if offsite, from within a secure room, known as a sensitive compartmented information facility (SCIF).

Yet here they were discussing all of this from wherever they happened to be, on their cellphones. And not government-issued, specially prepared devices, but likely their personal cellphones. Some of them, as it emerged, were in foreign countries. The President’s negotiator on Ukraine and the Middle East, Steve Witkoff, for example, was in Moscow.

As time went on, however, it became clear that the scandal was not limited to the security breach, as serious as it was. It was noticed that no one on the chat made any mention of the extraordinary nature of it. No one said “wait a minute, should we even be discussing a matter as secret as this on a forum as insecure as this?” Which implies what logic would suggest: that this was not the only such discussion to be held on Signal – that it was, in fact, routine.

Which in turn suggests that this was not a mistake, but deliberate policy: Trump administration officials have made a practice of holding sensitive policy discussions on Signal, on their personal cellphones. And why would they do that? To avoid leaving a record of them, or not one that could be accessible via freedom-of-information requests.

Government officials are ordinarily required to discuss government business on government phones, not only because they are more secure, but to ensure they keep records of their discussion. So the use of personal phones was a serious violation of the rules (on top of the egregious security breach). Signal transcriptions, moreover, can be set to auto-delete. Had Mr. Goldberg not been accidentally admitted, we might never have learned what was said – though foreign intelligence services undoubtedly have.

And it’s the content of the chats that make up the third broad category of malfeasance. There’s the unserious, jocular tone – complete with emojis – for something as deadly serious as a military strike: as if, as the British political commentator Alastair Campbell put it, they were planning a stag party.

There’s the obsessive disdain for Europe: at one point it is held up as a point against the strikes, against Houthi terrorists who had been attacking ships in the Suez canal, that European shipping companies would also benefit. There’s the revelation that one strike was aimed at destroying an entire apartment block in which one terrorist’s girlfriend lived: arguably a war crime.

The whole thing – the contempt for rules, the scorn for allies, the recklessness, the sheer incompetence – adds up to a composite portrait of the Trump administration at work. To which the finishing touch has been its response. Attacks on the messenger. Semantics about “war plans” versus “attack plans.” Claims that the story was a hoax, even after it had been admitted the conversation took place. Outright lies, including to a Congressional committee.

And zero accountability: no investigation, no admission of wrongdoing, and no one (so far) required to pay any price for having broken the law and imperilled American security. They really think they can just brazen this out. And the worst part of it is, they might be right.
One aspect of this incident that stands out for me, is also mentioned in the article - the cavalier attitudes being expressed and use of emojis. It's as if they were talking about a sports event.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Opinion: There won’t be a price to pay for imperilling U.S. security on Signal - The Globe and Mail


One aspect of this incident that stands out for me, is also mentioned in the article - the cavalier attitudes being expressed and use of emojis. It's as if they were talking about a sports event.
What if the newsman was included due to bravado of the group or a member of the group? :eek:

I guess we should be glad he was, and he published otherwise we would never have known of this action by the group.
What other conversations have taken place on that app with equal or worse classifications?
Records are deleted in a hurry, another crime.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
First he came for the Kennedy Center, now he is after the Smithsonian. JDV to decide what is "proper" Smithsonian can show.
What a surprise. :eek:
“Restoring Truth and Sanity to American History”? Whose truth? Whose sanity? What is proper?
Isn't this all very subjective except what is the truth.

What is next? No funding to anyone unless it passes HIS muster or Vance's:mad:
 
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trochetier

Full Audioholic
Next US election model? Disqualify and jail opposition candidate/s. Difference, no opposition demos, J6 rallies instead.
 
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Mr._Clark

Audioholic Samurai
Oh, I don't expect any legal consequences for any of the administration officials involved in the group chat. They will just continue deflecting and denying until the next - inevitable - example of ineptitude overtakes it.

Speaking as a veteran, this is one of the most irksome aspects of this incident:
Trump officials downplay the Signal leak. Some military members see a double standard : NPR

When Cold War tensions ramped up during the 1980's, our submarines patrolled the North West Atlantic, hunting for Soviet ballistic missile submarines. Upon return to Halifax after one particular patrol, our captain mustered the crew before allowing anyone to go ashore. During his speech to us, he stated, "If any of the events of this patrol become public knowledge and I find out the source, I will personally chop his balls off before handing him over to the MP's".

If some lower-rank military member had released similar details of a similar operation in a similar manner, I have no doubt that Hegseth would want him shot.
Patel and Bondi have made it clear they have no real interest in the facts or the law in this case.

>>>Attorney General Pam Bondi . . . repeated Trump administration talking points that the highly sensitive information in the chat was not classified, though current and former U.S. officials have said the posting of the exact launch times of aircraft and times that bombs would be released before those pilots were even in the air would have been classified.<<<


The unstated premise of the legal defenses (Bondi: "it was sensitive information, not classified and inadvertently released) is that the violation of a criminal law is the determining factor.

Of course, there are plenty of things a Secretary of Defense could do that are perfectly legal that would nevertheless clearly demonstrate that the person is unfit for the position, or, at minimum is not the most qualified person.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
And now Sec Def is bringing his wife to such sensitive discussions in the pentagon, not to mention his brother. What the f... is going on in there? A race to the bottom? :eek:
 
Eppie

Eppie

Audioholic Ninja
First he came for the Kennedy Center, now he is after the Smithsonian. JDV to decide what is "proper" Smithsonian can show.
The sad part is that many people will not realize that this is not much different from the book burnings the Nazis held. Who decides what is "anti-American"? What happened to free speech and freedom of expression? This is just one more step to authoritarianism. When will we see the outrage, if ever?
 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Warlord
Signal per (R) Mike Turner:

We're looking into if Hegseth's message was classified but it might have been declassified in the transfer cause maybe he declassified it and someone else changed it to classified status so it brings up the question of if something classified or declassified in an encrypted signal we wouldn't want to add confusion into classifieddeclassified or declassifiedclassified I think you understand my point on what is or isn't classified or declassified. I don't in the future foresee there being a problem because both Hegseth and Waltz are doing a remarkable job. :D
 

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