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[jostenmeat]

My quick take on sonata is that it is a played piece and a contata is all vocal.

That's why I was saying it's the most nebulous term for a format there is. Sure, I think in modern times, composers will title nearly anything a "sonata". In the times before Haydn/Beethoven, collections of movements were also called sonatas, but they could have easily been called something else, say, a "suite" for example.

I guess I was talking about the form of a sonata. When we speak of sonata-form, the concept becomes more specific, and invariably the one that came out of the classical period.

Funny you should mention the 5th because I just got that on vinyl today.
I guess having it on CD and DVD-A wasn't enough.

I was hoping that the idea that the typical sonata form, with the idea/description of "dueling themes", would give you a little more insight when listening to classical/romantic works.

 

[Alex2507]

I was hoping that the idea that the typical sonata form, with the idea/description of "dueling themes", would give you a little more insight when listening to classical/romantic works.

I don't know about insight but I did keep that second four higher note thing in mind while listening to the 5th. I had to listen 3 or 4 times before I could really pick it out. The different parts in the middle being happy/sad/triumphant sort of fit when I look at them as part of a life of a person/song but I lost focus before the end and missed the theme being revisited or addressed seriously as a whole for the first time if I am following you correctly.

I appreciate your efforts here on this. You must of course understand that this is sort of like WmAx trying to explain to a monkey the effect a 4" radius on a speaker cabinet has on a 350Hz sound wave being crossed over on a 4th order slope or whatever.

I suppose I could Google this but the romantic/classical period refers to what or when? The problem with this DVD-A is that I have lost track of where I am in it and may very well have gone into the 7th symphony. I have no idea where I am any longer so the only thing to do is listen and enjoy. One of my loftier ambitions is to hear certain pieces and be able to identify them like I was on Jeopardy.

 

[STRONGBADF1]

One of my loftier ambitions is to hear certain pieces and be able to identify them like I was on Jeopardy.

If you are anything like me you would forget to phrase it in the form of a question though...