newbie trying to decide on new 5.1 system

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stevenassco

Enthusiast
Its been too long since I purchased anything home audio, but pending home purchase is pushing us to revamp our whole existing old Yamaha 395 and JBL speakers. I have a few simple newbie questions and hope you can help recommend some speakers and the power source for them - the choices out there now days are mindboggling. Let me know what you think and if you can help a newbie out as you know you were all one!

speakers
  • 5.1 system in living room 225-300 sqft envrionment
  • 50/50 music/HT
  • dont like harsh speakers, prefer accurate, laid back sound
  • don't need floorstanding mains, but would be nice - can get better smalls for same price correct? (dont mind stands)
  • would prefer to stick to 1 brand all around, can piece together as budget allows
  • to start, would like to spend 1000-1500 on Mains+center
  • Top choices thus far: Canton & Paradigm - which do you consider a better brand at comparable prices?? I have a friend in Germany who can possibly get good deals on Canton Ergos as well.
  • also considering: Ohm Micro's, M&K, Monitor

Power Source
  • Inputs=HDMI Plasma/LCD, HDMI DVD/CD player, iPod, might pickup Apple airport or USB to comp
  • primarily listen to digital audio via iPod (high compression) - dont really have CDs
  • budget would like to stay 1K or under
  • I like all the new functions of new A/V all-in-one receivers - especially now that they have "pure direct" which appears to be a attempt to copy a pre/pro setup for music playback
  • Should I simply splurge a bit and get a low end separate setup such as this Emotiva setup which will better drive <8ohm speakers: (http://www.av123.com/products_product.php?section=processors&product=30.1) , or should I stick to the simpler all-in-one setup such as the Yamaha 1700/2700 or Denon 2807/3806?
 
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billnchristy

Senior Audioholic
I have heard that the emotiva rig will blow anything in its price range out of the water.
 
majorloser

majorloser

Moderator
You might also notice that every Emotiva item on the AV123 is listed as "SOLD OUT".

Might want to check into the status of these items before you consider them.

As a Canton Ergo owner, I LOVE them! If you can get Canton for a good price, look at the Vento series.
 
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stevenassco

Enthusiast
mloser - Yep I did notice that...how do you think the Emotiva combo for around 1K stacks up to lets say the Yamha's & Denon's I mentioned if I run the Canton Ergo's? They are packed with more "feature" such as 1080p, which I will want in the future.....I want to make sure they can drive them ok as I am sure 4ohm is optimal right?

What can you tell me about the Canton's? I am looking at their Ergo or GLE series VS. Paradigm's Monitor or Performance series. Have you heard the aformentioned speakers to compare? Thanks a bunch for the responses - I can't wait to get some stuff!!!
 
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Nick250

Audioholic Samurai
IMO, the starting point of buying a new system is to go out and audition as many speakers as you can that are within your budget. No way around it.

As to receivers, I would choose Denon or Yamaha at your price point because I have owned and liked them. There are many other good receivers out there. Check to see which have the features you want and see if there are any deals to be had.

My general rule of thumb on new systems is 70% on the speakers and 30% on all else give or take.

Nick
 
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einsteinjb

Audioholic
I can't comment on Canton, haven't heard them. Paradigm makes really good quality speakers that sound fine but I have never heard a Paradigm set that moved me. I just find them a bit boring. Paradigm owners relax, they're great speakers, that's just my feelings. :) I did love the sound of the Signature S4s but I felt they were overpriced for how they sounded.

Don't know your situation but don't rule out internet direct. In my experience you generally get more value for the money with ID brands than B&M, plus outstanding customer service, 30-day money-back guarantee, etc. I use and highly recommend the new Swans 5.2F mains and 5.2C center from www.theaudioinsider.com. I compared them side-by-side with a set of B&W DM604 S3s that I was very familiar with on Rotel gear and while the B&Ws had a bit deeper and tighter bass extension (they were broken in, the Swans were not), I and my engineering partner both preferred the mids and highs of the Swans. Silkier, a bit smoother, with outstanding imaging and soundstage. Beautiful looking speakers too, great value at $1K/pair. The 6.2s are I think $1300/pair and would sound the same, just more bass extension. (After living with the 5.2s for a while and breaking them in, I love their bass response and am very happy with it.)

You also said you "dont like harsh speakers, prefer accurate, laid back sound." That exactly describes the Swans 5.2Fs. Accurate and neutral but forgiving and utterly non-fatiguing. I can listen to them loud for hours with no fatigue at all. Great for home theater too. 5.2F and 5.2C will come to $1500 plus shipping for your fronts and center. The 4.2R surrounds (5.2R are coming but not available yet) are $499/pair, so $2000 for a fully matched 5 channels (except the surrounds would be a bit smaller). Wait a minute and you can get 5.2s all around. Actually if you contact Jon Lane he might have 5.2Rs in now or at least soon.

If you want to keep your budget a bit lower, look at www.ascendacoustics.com. Everything's plain black (as far as I know; David might have added colors but no wood grains AFAIK) but the performance is truly outstanding for the price. Ascends are reknowned for extreme accuracy, and I can attest to that as I mix on CBM-170SEs with an SVS sub in my little home mixing room. I haven't heard the 340SEs but I'd love to. The Ascends feature detail, clarity, accuracy, and beautiful imaging, wonderful for home theater but great for music too. One thing to keep in mind with Ascend is that if you're using lower bitrate MP3s as I think you said you are, they will reveal ALL the flaws in both the recordings and the compression. The Swans will show up the low compression as well but you'll really hear it on the Ascends. I'd recommend sticking to higher bitrate MP3s (I use all 256 vbr or higher with LAME encoder). Play some really well-recorded material on Swans or Ascends though and you'll experience something special.

I have a cool little iPod dock you might find interesting, called the XITEL HiFi Link for iPod. If you're using Airport or something to stream directly from the PC you don't need this but to bypass the iPod's crappy headphone output I got this 3rd party dock from buy.com for only $67. It doesn't have a USB port because it's designed only to connect the iPod to your sound system, which it does via gold-plated RCA jacks instead of a 1/8" stereo jack. It also comes with a nice little remote and AC cord and it charges the iPod while docked, so that's nice. Sound quality is excellent. Can't seem to find it now at buy.com but Amazon has it here for $70.
 
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einsteinjb

Audioholic
Nick250 said:
IMO, the starting point of buying a new system is to go out and audition as many speakers as you can that are within your budget. No way around it.

As to receivers, I would choose Denon or Yamaha at your price point because I have owned and liked them. There are many other good receivers out there. Check to see which have the features you want and see if there are any deals to be had.

My general rule of thumb on new systems is 70% on the speakers and 30% on all else give or take.

Nick
I agree, go listen to everything you can using your own material (bring CDs, DVDs, whatever) and take notes. If you want more opinions afterwards, come back and post here mentioning what you liked and didn't like so folks can get a reference for what your listening tastes are.
 
Tomorrow

Tomorrow

Audioholic Ninja
stevenassco said:
Its been too long since I purchased anything home audio, but pending home purchase is pushing us to revamp our whole existing old Yamaha 395 and JBL speakers. I have a few simple newbie questions and hope you can help recommend some speakers and the power source for them - the choices out there now days are mindboggling. Let me know what you think and if you can help a newbie out as you know you were all one!

speakers
  • 5.1 system in living room 225-300 sqft envrionment
  • 50/50 music/HT
  • dont like harsh speakers, prefer accurate, laid back sound
  • don't need floorstanding mains, but would be nice - can get better smalls for same price correct? (dont mind stands)
  • would prefer to stick to 1 brand all around, can piece together as budget allows
  • to start, would like to spend 1000-1500 on Mains+center
  • Top choices thus far: Canton & Paradigm - which do you consider a better brand at comparable prices?? I have a friend in Germany who can possibly get good deals on Canton Ergos as well.
  • also considering: Ohm Micro's, M&K, Monitor

Power Source
  • Inputs=HDMI Plasma/LCD, HDMI DVD/CD player, iPod, might pickup Apple airport or USB to comp
  • primarily listen to digital audio via iPod (high compression) - dont really have CDs
  • budget would like to stay 1K or under
  • I like all the new functions of new A/V all-in-one receivers - especially now that they have "pure direct" which appears to be a attempt to copy a pre/pro setup for music playback
  • Should I simply splurge a bit and get a low end separate setup such as this Emotiva setup which will better drive <8ohm speakers: (http://www.av123.com/products_product.php?section=processors&product=30.1) , or should I stick to the simpler all-in-one setup such as the Yamaha 1700/2700 or Denon 2807/3806?
Well, Steven, Yamaha and JBL still make wonderful gear, so don't dismiss them out of hand. However, given your budget and desire for the laid-back sound, check these out. I've had them here and they are precisely as you describe your speaker desires. ---> http://www.audioc.com/speakers1/protegev/protegev.htm and match it with one of these ---> http://www.audioc.com/speakers1/protege/protege.htm

I know I always irritate Paradigm fans with my opine, but I'd avoid those. I find them somewhat compressed and not very musical. They have great bass extension but .... well, they're certainly not laid-back.

Happy hunting.
 
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audiohead01

Enthusiast
I can help with BG Corp

I have the following set-up and love it...

lr front z-7's
c z-5
r-l rear r18i's (on wall with adjustable tweeter)

i use the 210i sub

i have a sherwood newcastle r-965 reciever that is great but only has one downfall you have to use external hdmi switch, they are throwing it in for free right now. the receiver and BG corp speakers have many great reviews..
let me know what you think..

good luck

contact me for motivated competition and superior quality with the direction you are going now.
 
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Tex-amp

Senior Audioholic
Another Ascend Acoustics recommendation. Ascend was started by a former M&K engineer/designer.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
I'm a PSB sl?t myself

stevenassco said:
Its been too long since I purchased anything home audio, but pending home purchase is pushing us to revamp our whole existing old Yamaha 395 and JBL speakers. I have a few simple newbie questions and hope you can help recommend some speakers and the power source for them - the choices out there now days are mindboggling. Let me know what you think and if you can help a newbie out as you know you were all one!

speakers
  • 5.1 system in living room 225-300 sqft envrionment
  • 50/50 music/HT
  • dont like harsh speakers, prefer accurate, laid back sound
  • don't need floorstanding mains, but would be nice - can get better smalls for same price correct? (dont mind stands)
  • would prefer to stick to 1 brand all around, can piece together as budget allows
  • to start, would like to spend 1000-1500 on Mains+center
  • Top choices thus far: Canton & Paradigm - which do you consider a better brand at comparable prices?? I have a friend in Germany who can possibly get good deals on Canton Ergos as well.
  • also considering: Ohm Micro's, M&K, Monitor

Power Source
  • Inputs=HDMI Plasma/LCD, HDMI DVD/CD player, iPod, might pickup Apple airport or USB to comp
  • primarily listen to digital audio via iPod (high compression) - dont really have CDs
  • budget would like to stay 1K or under
  • I like all the new functions of new A/V all-in-one receivers - especially now that they have "pure direct" which appears to be a attempt to copy a pre/pro setup for music playback
  • Should I simply splurge a bit and get a low end separate setup such as this Emotiva setup which will better drive <8ohm speakers: (http://www.av123.com/products_product.php?section=processors&product=30.1) , or should I stick to the simpler all-in-one setup such as the Yamaha 1700/2700 or Denon 2807/3806?

If you like accurate revealing sound that is not harsh, that draws you in subtly, then I do recommend the PSB Image series. For your budget, I think you should be able to get the Image T45s towers and the C40 center channel. I own a pair of T45s and love em. I also own the previous generation of the C40 and am pleased with it. I chose PSB over Paradigm as I heard both. Can offer an opinion on the Cantons excpet from the reviews I've read and they are well regarded. Good luck :)
 
majorloser

majorloser

Moderator
stevenassco said:
mloser - Yep I did notice that...how do you think the Emotiva combo for around 1K stacks up to lets say the Yamha's & Denon's I mentioned if I run the Canton Ergo's? They are packed with more "feature" such as 1080p, which I will want in the future.....I want to make sure they can drive them ok as I am sure 4ohm is optimal right?

What can you tell me about the Canton's? I am looking at their Ergo or GLE series VS. Paradigm's Monitor or Performance series. Have you heard the aformentioned speakers to compare? Thanks a bunch for the responses - I can't wait to get some stuff!!!
I LOVE my Ergo's! I'd put them against anything you listed. I wish I could afford to buy a new set of Ergo 611's or my ultimate, the Vento Ref 1 towers. At the moment, I still enjoy being married so they're out of the question :(

You also might want to look at their Karat series speakers. Also some beautiful speakers.

I recently switch my amp from a B&K 7270 (7x200wpc) to seven individual Beringer A500's that I run bridged for 500wpc. The extra power really did them some good. My theater seemed to come alive, not just get louder.

If you do decide to buy the Ergo line, look around and see if you can find the CM-51 center channel like mine. Unlike the current center channel it has a coaxial mid-range and tweeter to give you a true three-way center. Real tough to find, though.

For good prices check out www.accessories4less.com
They have some good prices on discontinued Ergo towers.

(Sorry for taking so long to get back to you)
 
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