http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/productdetail.html?CNTID=547598&CTID=5000300 Wow, I was at Yamaha's site a day or two ago, and I didn’t see that, thanks for the update Mike. :cool: It would seem that the HTR and RX-V's look identical now, and the replacement for the 5960/659 has HDMI, that will make a lot of people happy.