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[lovinthehd]

Out of curiosity, I'll dig out the cover as a starting point for the room.

I've been redoing the shop which is close to being finished. I had to replace nearly half the tile floor that was damaged over the past 23 years. I also ran 2 additional 20 amp circuits and upgraded lighting to vapor-tight LED. The lighting is on the original 15 amp circuit. Painting is not nearly complete with a few additions added that are not seen in the uploaded photos, like my QLED TV mounted up front.

One wall is all storage, a sea of red and white doors. The other 20' white wall seen in the ceiling pic, has virtually nothing on it. I could easily mount some decorative acoustic panels, but only if it will make a significant difference. I was looking at some earlier that were kinda cool looking.

Probably just build your own panels to correct dimensions if you're going to bother. Lots of diy info out there if you do a little searching.

Shop looks great by the way, mine is much cruder but only vehicles allowed are my bicycles. A Chevy like yours I've ridden in, tho.....one of my favorite cars for looks.

 

[shubox56]

Shop looks great by the way, mine is much cruder but only vehicles allowed are my bicycles. A Chevy like yours I've ridden in, tho.....one of my favorite cars for looks.

Thank you. I've had the car for 24 years, during that time I've pulled 2 motors and working on the 3rd now. Sidetracked a bit, though --- rewiring the car --- custom circuits specific to my needs.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Great shop!
But what I wanna know is. Why is that blower and hat sitting on a bench?
Listening to that thing whine is music of its own!!!

 

[shubox56]

Great shop!
But what I wanna know is. Why is that blower and hat sitting on a bench?
Listening to that thing whine is music of its own!!!

Good catch! So SO true. A divorce at a time of escalating health issues had (still has) me down. I have not touched the car in nearly 3 years. Over the last year, as health permitted, I have been restoring the shop back to its former glory days --- setting the stage for reengaging with the 56. I picked up where I left off a couple of weeks ago --- the wiring which is 75% complete. With any luck, that blower will be mounted by early summer.

 

[shubox56]

I chatted with SVS today. Provided project information. Room type, size of room, the receiver, and mentioned the rooms reflective nature that cannot be avoided. I also mentioned that I was budget-minded. He suggested the SVS Prime Bookshelf and PB-1000 or PB-2000 Pro if my budget would allow. The PB-2000 Pro case is to big for the location, so I asked about the PS-2000 Pro which is smaller. He said that it's best suited for music, but acceptable for movies.

I'm assuming that any of the above combo's would greatly improve SQ compared to what I have. But you know what they say about assuming.

There's only so much that I can do to reduce the reflective nature of this space, it is after all, a working shop. My biggest concern was mentioned by a poster --- that I may be disappointed in the results because of the room's acoustic profile. That the system I have isn't necessarily terrible, but the acoustics ARE terrible. :-O

 

[mazersteven]

He said that it's best suited for music, but acceptable for movies.

Well that kind of contradicts what Ed Mullen of SVS says

 

[shubox56]

Well that kind of contradicts what Ed Mullen of SVS says

In fairness to the SVS tech, he did indicate that the SP-2000 Pro would work fine for movies, but its stop-on-a-dime design characteristics, as mentioned in the video, are better suited to those most interested in music. BUT --- provided that the sub is right-sized to the space, that he wouldn't hesitate to look at the SP-2000 Pro. This assuming that the user is willing to sacrifice the lower frequency PUNCH provided by the ported SB-2000 Pro.

SOOOOO --- considering that my primary interest is music followed by movies, the SP may be a decent choice. I just don't know from the numbers how much PUNCH I'm sacrificing in real world use. AND --- I live in a townhouse, so TOO much low frequency base could drive those living around me crazy when I have it cranked. So again, maybe the SP is a better overall choice.

He spoke about sub "slop", I notice that in my Polk and it kinda bugs me. So the stop-on-a-dime comment caught my attention.

 

[shubox56]

Here's the last comment he made in chat ---

" The PB-1000 will have more slam way down deep for 18-36hz range which is typical for movies. The SB-2000 Pro will go that deep, but will have less total output at that range, you will still feel it, just not as strong. Once the soundtrack goes above 40hz the 2000 will run past the 1000 in performance "

This was the PS-2000 Pro Vs the PB-1000

 

[shubox56]

So gents, here's what I'm thinking --- rather than commit to a complete set of speakers at this time, I'm thinking about swapping the Polk sub mentioned in my OP, for either the SB-1000 or the SP-2000 and LIVE with what I have for a bit. This if upgrading the sub will have a huge impact on overall SQ? This will give me an opportunity to consider softening the reflective nature of the shop before committing to a bookshelf speaker. This will give me a better real-life understanding of what the space needs to improve overall sound quality.

Does this make sense? Looking at the Polk specs VS the 2 SCV sounds, which will have the greatest impact that will be instantly recognized?

I'm ordering the sub today from ABT.com --- same day delivery with a great return policy if I'm not happy.

 

[ski2xblack]

Wow, impulse buyer.

Go with the SB-2000 Pro. (Better to focus on output than extension in such a large room.)

The Hsu ccb-8 may work well in your room without treatments, due to their controlled directivity. Something to think about while pondering your next steps.

 

[shubox56]

Wow, impulse buyer.

Go with the SB-2000 Pro. (Better to focus on output than extension in such a large room.)

The Hsu ccb-8 may work well in your room without treatments, due to their controlled directivity. Something to think about while pondering your next steps.

Thank you, I appreciate the input. I'm hoping it will dramatically improve the system's overall sound even with the small CB-5's I currently have. I do like the CCB --- looking at them closely.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Good catch! So SO true. A divorce at a time of escalating health issues had (still has) me down. I have not touched the car in nearly 3 years. Over the last year, as health permitted, I have been restoring the shop back to its former glory days --- setting the stage for reengaging with the 56. I picked up where I left off a couple of weeks ago --- the wiring which is 75% complete. With any luck, that blower will be mounted by early summer.

Hopefully you can get that baby done soon. Looks really nice. How big is that small block?
I totally get it. My first car, that I still own is a first gen Camaro. I’ve owned it for almost 30 years, and owning businesses and raising kids haven’t always allowed the time and resources that I’d have liked. Life is kinda like that.
Anyways, she looks great. Hope you get better soon, and can get after it!
Beautiful shop too.

 

[shubox56]

WOW, I guess I really am old and a non-tech kind of guy. So the sub comes with a mic for setup via a Bluetooth connection with a smartphone app? No idea what is best when setting up a sub. I have a mic that came with the Denon which I was planning on using, but like the sub, I really don't know how to setup my Denon for best performance. I was planning on resetting the Denon to factor specs (if possible?) to undo anything I may have done for the last 5 years or so. I need to dial it in to it's new space.

 

[shubox56]

Hopefully you can get that baby done soon. Looks really nice. How big is that small block?
I totally get it. My first car, that I still own is a first gen Camaro. I’ve owned it for almost 30 years, and owning businesses and raising kids haven’t always allowed the time and resources that I’d have liked. Life is kinda like that.
Anyways, she looks great. Hope you get better soon, and can get after it!
Beautiful shop too.

Thank you, Sir! I've owned mine for 23 years --- it's been a good run thus far. As for engine: a stroked small block with an aftermarket Dart Little M block and goodies. 383ci

My health inflictions, unfortunately, are a life-lone event that I'm adjusting to. Smiling through it all and moving on.

 

[mazersteven]

A subwoofer will make an impact on your system. Hopefully the SB will make one for you. Of the two the SB-1000 most likely would not make an impact.
Speakers make the largest impact

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Thank you, Sir! I've owned mine for 23 years --- it's been a good run thus far. As for engine: a stroked small block with an aftermarket Dart Little M block and goodies. 383ci

My health inflictions, unfortunately, are a life-lone event that I'm adjusting to. Smiling through it all and moving on.

Nice! I own some dart products too. 383 is a great choice. My brother has one in a 1982 S-10. It runs in the lower 8’s. It very streetable though. Lol
Hopefully you can adjust to your medical hurdles. Old dogs n new tricks ain’t easy.

 

[lovinthehd]

WOW, I guess I really am old and a non-tech kind of guy. So the sub comes with a mic for setup via a Bluetooth connection with a smartphone app? No idea what is best when setting up a sub. I have a mic that came with the Denon which I was planning on using, but like the sub, I really don't know how to setup my Denon for best performance. I was planning on resetting the Denon to factor specs (if possible?) to undo anything I may have done for the last 5 years or so. I need to dial it in to it's new space.

You could get the sub set up using its own tools with the built-in tech and then follow it up with running Audyssey in your Denon to integrate the sub with the speakers. Yes, you can factory reset (or full microprocessor reset as its sometimes called) the Denon, instructions should be in your manual (but you can shortcut here http://rn.dmglobal.com/usmodel/DENON_AVR_Reset-Initialization-Procedure.pdf ).

 

[shubox56]

What AVR settings are effected when running the Audyssey? Establishes a playback volume for each speaker --- what other settings are calibrated and changed based on results? Does it change things like the room size setting to name one? Will it override all manual setting previously stored if I don't do a factory reset?

Call me silly, but I'm actually running the Denon setup in advance of speaker changes to baseline current results. This receiver and the speakers were formerly in my living room, so calibrating for the garage space. I have not touched the receiver settings in YEARS, so I've totally lost touch with what I originally did. Messed up, I'm sure. LOL

The first thing I looked at was the sub setting --- it's set to LFE-Mains --- not sure if that is correct for the setup. For the Polk sub I'm currently running (PSW 250 ).

 

[lovinthehd]

What AVR settings are effected when running the Audyssey? Establishes a playback volume for each speaker --- what other settings are calibrated and changed based on results? Does it change things like the room size setting to name one? Will it override all manual setting previously stored if I don't do a factory reset?

Re-running Audyssey resets what it affects. A full reset will do that and more (like reset all password/internet/app settings). You're probably good just re-running Audyssey. Audyssey in combo with the avr manufacturer's implementation will handle setting levels for each channel/speaker, as well as delays (distance setting) and integrate the sub. It will also apply equalization (in that model particularly) across the full frequency band....this is where YMMV. AVRs don't have an adjustment for room volume, that's up to your speakers/sub to be able to handle properly.

That said, Audyssey (or even typical surround modes) just may not work for you in that environment.....what sort of settings did you make so far to use the Denon with the current setup?

 

[shubox56]

Re-running Audyssey resets what it affects. A full reset will do that and more (like reset all password/internet/app settings). You're probably good just re-running Audyssey. Audyssey in combo with the avr manufacturer's implementation will handle setting levels for each channel/speaker, as well as delays (distance setting) and integrate the sub. It will also apply equalization (in that model particularly) across the full frequency band....this is where YMMV. AVRs don't have an adjustment for room volume, that's up to your speakers/sub to be able to handle properly.

That said, Audyssey (or even typical surround modes) just may not work for you in that environment.....what sort of settings did you make so far to use the Denon with the current setup?

I'll have to revisit all the settings. It's a botched up mess, I believe.

One thing that will sound odd, AND IT IS, I'm not going to setup the 5.1 in a normal fashion. By nature, myself or others will be constantly moving, not sitting in a sweet spot watching a movie. The room also has some oddities like a full 20' wall of doors (storage behind) with a staggered ceiling --- 7' up front and 9' in the rear. The TV is in the front right corner (wall mounted) with the receiver next to it. I have the 2 CB-5's sitting on the 8' front workbench with the surrounds flanking each side of the workbench up higher near the ceiling. The sub is to the left of the workbench. So yes, the surround in the 5.1 is not a surround at all, but it does SLIGHTLY widen the front stage and creates some sound movement between the speakers that can be heard to add a LITTLE additional drama. I tested it by watching Jurassic Park and Ford Vs Farrari, and it actually sounded pretty darn good to MY ears. And no matter where I'm working from in the shop, it really doesn't matter because the sound is all coming from a single plane up front. And though had to believe, the Polk actually gave some pretty good low punch to add more drama.

I'll be listening to music 70% of the time, more than likely.

Weird, I know. :-O

Edit: Adding a very crude layout pic. The jagged line is the TV.