New Sony Blu-ray players

itschris

itschris

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Finally! It seems that justa bout every player has some compromise, but it looks like the new crop coming out in summer will finally decode and bitstream the lossless formats (something tells me I posted this already, but I couldn't find it) Here's the article:

Sony updated its Blu-ray Disc player line today with two new models that will be capable of accessing advanced interactive features such as BonusView and BD-Live.

The BDP-S350 and BDP-S550 models both support BonusView (Picture-in-Picture) featured on some of the new Blu-ray Disc theatrical releases. The BDP-S350 model is BD-Live ready featuring an Ethernet port for easy firmware update and access to Internet-based interactive content features. The BSP-S550 is BonusView and BD-Live capable when it ships.

Both models also feature an external port for local storage, so users can add optional storage device. The BDP-S550 ships with a 1GB storage device.

We should notice here that the BD-Live or Profile 2.0 BD players are required to have Internet/network connection, Picture-in-Picture (PiP), Audio mixing (secondary audio), 1 GB of storage and Virtual File System (VFS). Until now, only Sony's PS3 and a Panasonic BD player were close to fulfill those requirements.

"Building on the exceptional picture and sound quality of previous players, Sony's next-generation Blu-ray Disc models bring exciting interactive features to life and offer consumers a ground-breaking experience," said Chris Fawcett, vice president of marketing for Sony Electronics' Home Product Division. "These new devices bring home movie experience beyond the cinema and into a whole new realm of entertainment."


The players feature 1080/60p and 24p True Cinema output. They are compatible with most standard DVDs and feature 1080p upscaling through an HDMI connection to capable HDTV sets, improving the picture performance of existing DVD libraries.

The models offer 7.1 channel Dolby TrueHD and Dolby Digital Plus decoding and bit-stream output, as well as dts-HD High Resolution Audio and Master Audio bit-stream output. The BDP-S550 adds dts-HD High Resolution Audio and dts-HD Master Audio decoding as well as 7.1 channel analog audio output.

The players support AVCHD discs encoded with x.v.Color (xvYCC) technology, an international standard for wide color space reproduction. The standard expands the current data range of video by about 1.8 times, allowing the players to output more natural and vivid colors similar to what the human eye can actually see. The players also feature compatibility with an array of video formats, including BD-R/RE (BDMV and BDAV modes), DVD+R/+RW, DVD-R/-RW, CD, CD-R/RW (CD-DA format), and JPEG on DVD//CD recordable media.

The new models feature a slim design with reduced depth and height compared to previous models matching Sony's new home-theater-in-a-box systems, the HT-SS2300 and HT-CT100 T-SS2300, also announced today.

The new BDP-S350 ships this summer for about $400 and BDP-S550 will be available this fall for about $500. They will be offered at Sony Style stores, online at sonystyle.com, at military base exchanges, and at authorized retailers in the U.S.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Panasonic is suppose to release the DMP-BD50 in May 2008. It will do bitstreaming and internal decoding for TrueHD & DTS-MA.

The Sony models look great too, but waiting until Fall is a little too long for me.
 
itschris

itschris

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The 350 is going to be release in June, so that not too far out. I've been thinking bout the Panny myself. Release dates aside, given a level playing field, which would you choose?
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

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The 350 is going to be release in June, so that not too far out. I've been thinking bout the Panny myself. Release dates aside, given a level playing field, which would you choose?
The Sony 350 will output Bitstream, but it will not internally decode TrueHD & DTS-MA. The Sony 550 and the Panny BD50 will do both.

So for me, the Panny is the clear winner.

No if the Sony 550 and Panny 50 were to be release concurrently, that might be a harder decision. But because I am so used to my Current Panny-10 and know how everything is setup, I would still pick the Panny.

Someone mentioned the possibility of the 550 to include SACD. I have not heard a single source even implying this. But if the 550 were to include SACD, then it would be the clear winner IMO. Only time will tell.

But as of now, if the Panny-50 were to be released May 1st w/ both Bitstream and Internal TrueHD/DTS-MA decoders, it will the clear winner.

If all I needed was the Bitstream of TrueHD/DTS-MA, I would have already gotten the Panny-30.

Another thing is I am very impressed with the Panny-10's ability to upscale to 1080p.

I think the Sony 350 = Panny 30 and the Sony 550 = Panny 50.
 
Biggiesized

Biggiesized

Senior Audioholic
Do we know the price of the upcoming Panansonic DMP-BD50?
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Do we know the price of the upcoming Panansonic DMP-BD50?
$600 is the price according to Bluray.com.

Now the European BD50 has 5.1 Analog output.

We still don't know if the USA BD50 has 5.1 or 7.1 Analog output.

HDMI output is always up to 7.1 for TrueHD/DTS-MA.
 
itschris

itschris

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Since I have the PioneerElite 94TXH on the way, I don't need the player to decode. I can just send the Bitstream to the receiver and it should do an admirable job of decoding any of the formats... at least I'm assuming it will.
 
itschris

itschris

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Now that I think about it... the Panny db-30 would also work since it bitstreams everything now? I like the looks of the Sony Blu-Ray players a lot... if I'm not being comprimised in any way by the player, i.e., if the can both bitstream everything to my receiver for decoding, I think I'm leaning towards toward the Sony 350 in June. I read the expected street price is supposed to be about the same as the current 300 player at about $350-$375
 
itschris

itschris

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I read somewhere that June was the hard date for release for the 350 and October for the 550. I think it was Engaget.com maybe. Either way, I'm gonna have so much fun with stuff I'm getting that I can wait a bit... maybe not until June, in which case the Panny will be the choice.
 
D

Dezoris

Audioholic
It would take a lot to steer me away from using a PS3 as a primary BluRay player.

The biggest thing for me is the speed of the standalone players.
If they are sluggish, I see no reason to switch. (Assuming PS3 gets PCM DTSHD)

The other thing the PS3 will have on these units is superior storage space and likely addition of Netflix movie download service.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
...I see no reason to switch (Assuming PS3 gets PCM DTSHD)...
Life would be a little simpler if DTS-MA never existed.:D

Thank goodness SDDS never made it into the consumer audio market.:D

(SDDS = Sony Dynamic Digital System).
 
Biggiesized

Biggiesized

Senior Audioholic
Life would be a little simpler if DTS-MA never existed.:D

Thank goodness SDDS never made it into the consumer audio market.:D

(SDDS = Sony Dynamic Digital System).
It was and still is an optional audio format on DVD. However, I don't know of one disc or player that supported it. I think I read that it's based on their ATRAC3 codec.
 
J

James 7

Audiophyte
I heard from Panasonic that the release for the BD50 is now June 1 st, well you know before it actually is released the Sony 550 might already be out as well.

Here are the only differences:

Sony BDP-550 will decode 7.1 channel through HDMi Dolby® TrueHD and Dolby® Digital Plus decoding and bit-stream output, as well as DTS-HD High Resolution Audio and DTS-HD Master Audio decoding as well as 7.1 channel analog audio output.

Panasonic will will decode DTS-MA & DD True HD through HDMi but only 5.1 channel analog audio output.


See press release:

SONY
SONY ADDS NEW BLU-RAY DISC PLAYERS WITH ADVANCED INTERACTIVITY

New Models Feature Ethernet Port for Interactive Functionality and Easy Firmware Updates

LAS VEGAS, Feb. 26, 2008

The BDP-S550 model support BonusView (Picture-in-Picture) featured on some of the new Blu-ray Disc theatrical releases. The BDP-S550 model is BD-Live capable featuring an Ethernet port for an easy firmware update and access to Internet-based interactive content features.

BDP-S550 also feature an external port for local storage, so users can add optional flash-based memory. The BDP-S550 ships with a 1GB storage device.

“Building on the exceptional picture and sound quality of previous players, Sony’s next-generation Blu-ray Disc models bring exciting interactive features to life and offer consumers a ground-breaking experience,” said Chris Fawcett, vice president of marketing for Sony Electronics’ Home Product Division. “These new devices bring home movie experience beyond the cinema and into a whole new realm of entertainment.”

The players feature 1080/60p and 24p True Cinema output. They are compatible with most standard DVDs and feature 1080p upscaling through an HDMI connection to capable HDTV sets, improving the picture performance of existing DVD libraries.

The models offer 7.1 channel Dolby® TrueHD and Dolby® Digital Plus decoding and bit-stream output, as well as dts®-HD High Resolution Audio and Master Audio bit-stream output. The BDP-S550 adds dts-HD High Resolution Audio and dts-HD Master Audio decoding as well as 7.1 channel analog audio output.

The players support AVCHD discs encoded with x.v.Color™ (xvYCC) technology, an international standard for wide color space reproduction. The standard expands the current data range of video by about 1.8 times, allowing the players to output more natural and vivid colors similar to what the human eye can actually see. The players also feature compatibility with an array of video formats, including BD-R/RE (BDMV and BDAV modes), DVD+R/+RW, DVD-R/-RW (Video Mode), CD, CD-R/RW (CD-DA format), and JPEG on DVD//CD recordable media.

The new models feature a slim design with reduced depth and height compared to previous models matching Sony’s new home-theater-in-a-box systems, the HT-SS2300 and HT-CT100 T-SS2300, also announced today. Optimized for Blu-ray Disc™, the new component systems feature three 1080p compatible HDMI™ inputs making them the perfect match for a Full high-definition home theater when connected to a new Sony BRAVIA® 1080p HDTV.

The new BDP-S350 ships this summer for about $400 and BDP-S550 will be available this fall for about $500. They will be offered at Sony Style stores, online at sonystyle.com, at military base exchanges, and at authorized retailers nationwide.

PANASONIC

BLU-RAY DISC PLAYER DMP-BD50 FACT SHEET

BD-Live

The DMP-BD50's Ethernet terminal is a gateway for Internet connection, which paves the way to an entirely new form of movie-plus-Internet entertainment. In the future, BD-Live users will be able to participate in quizzes and challenge each other to interactive games that are linked to bonus movie content on BD discs. BD-Live also supports other interactive functions, such as Picture-in-Picture and Audio Mixing.

Interactive Functions

Picture-In-Picture

With Picture-in-Picture, a small sub-window is displayed over the main image. There are four examples of Picture-in-Picture modes, each offering distinct functions. They include Enhanced Commentary, Backstage Pass Function, Peek Behind The Animation and Audio Mixing.

Enhanced Commentary*

BD media goes considerably beyond the kind of audio commentary provided in many DVD movies, such as a director discussing the film. Enhanced Commentary makes it possible, for example, for the director or actors to appear in the sub-window (as if they are standing in front of the screen) and point to actors or equipment as they make their comments.

Backstage Pass Function*

This lets you access additional information provided about people, places or things in a BD movie. Use the remote control to select an element highlighted on the screen, and a sub-window opens with the information. For example, there could be notes about the clothing or accessories an actor is wearing or the restaurant in which a scene is set.

Peek Behind The Animation*

While playing back a movie with dubbed-in voices – for example, a feature-length animation – this feature lets you watch in a sub-window as the actors read their parts. You can see the actors' gestures and expressions as they speak, giving you an inside look at a whole facet of moviemaking you've never seen before.

Audio Mixing*

The Audio Mixing function lets you choose which soundtrack to listen to: the one from the content playing in the main window, the one from the sub-window, or both at the same time. The sub-window soundtrack can also be reproduced in 5.1-channel surround sound.

*Depending upon program contents.

Other BD-Live Possibilities

The future is expected to bring a host of imaginative new features. For example, the DMP-BD50 will be able to connect directly to the Internet and download additional content from Websites to an SD Memory Card for more viewing and playing enjoyment.

HIGH-DEFINITION PICTURE AND SOUND QUALITY

UniPhier®
Combining a PHL Reference Chroma Processor with advanced P4HD imaging technology, Uniphier, the Precise Digital Video processor reproduces crisp, natural colors that are extremely faithful to the original movie. The beautiful images are complemented by an exceptionally pure, accurate sound achieved through Audio Re-master and other leading-edge audio technologies. Uniphier reflects the advanced encoding and authoring technologies developed by Panasonic Hollywood Laboratory (PHL) in collaboration with film industry professionals. With Uniphier at its heart, the DMP-BD50 provides a level of image and sound quality that meets Hollywood's stringent demands – so you experience movies just the way they were meant to be experienced.

Precise Digital Video
PHL Reference Chroma Processor
The PHL Reference Chroma Processor up-samples (4:2:0 to 4:2:2) the color information in decoded video signals. Using proprietary Panasonic technology, this innovative circuit faithfully reproduces the fine details and nuances of Blu-ray video streams that have been recorded with high quality image compression system. It generates images with all the clarity and depth that BD-Video movies have to offer.

P4HD (Pixel Precision Progressive Processing for HD)
To get the best HD images from a BD-Video disc, you need a player that renders high-quality progressive images, expresses motion smoothly, and draws sharp diagonal lines. The DMP-BD50's P4HD processes more than 15 billion pixels per second and applies the optimum processing to every pixel in the video data on the disc. The result is images with exceptional resolution.

Deep Color*
The DMP-BD50's HDMI output is Deep Color compatible. While the earlier HDMI V.1.2 offers 8-bit, 256-step gradation on 4:4:4, HDMI V.1.3 enables video signals to be sent on 12-bit, 4,096-step gradation at any format. This helps the DMP-BD50 reproduce natural looking colors with smooth gradation and minimal color banding.
*An HDMI™ V.1.3 compatible TV is required.

1080/24p Playback The DMP-BD50 provides 1080/24p output (via HDMI) for Blu-ray titles and DVD titles. It reproduces movie images from a Blu-ray Disc in their original 24p form, with no need for conversion.

HD Audio Format Decoding and Output The DMP-BD50 is equipped with decoders for the high-quality, lossless Dolby® TrueHD and DDTS-HD Master Audio™ audio formats. These formats theoretically contain the information to reproduce original sound sources in their entirety. HDMi Connection to an AV amplifier with 7.1-channel input capability enables sound quality on the level of a studio master system.

Audio Re-master for All Media
The DMP-BD50's Audio Re-master function compensates for data lost in the compression process used in BD and DVD recording. This helps create a fuller, richer sound that is extremely faithful to the original. It also brings re-mastering to the Blu-ray Disc for the first time ever.

HD Networking with SD Memory Card
The DMP-BD50 comes equipped with a slot for SD Memory Cards.

Linking with an HD Camcorder
The DMP-BD50 can play back AVCHD-format images shot with an HD camcorder, such as the Panasonic HDC-SD9.

VIERA LinkTM

Seamless GUI
You Can Control Your Blu-ray Disc™ Player with the TV Remote Control*
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
550 vs BD50

Whichever comes out first gets my $$.:D
 
davidtwotrees

davidtwotrees

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Someone mentioned the possibility of the 550 to include SACD. I have not heard a single source even implying this. But if the 550 were to include SACD, then it would be the clear winner IMO. Only time will tell.
I can't believe sony wouldn't support sacd in these players. I won't buy one unless it can totally replace my Denon 3910. I have no desire for two players in my rack....none.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

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I can't believe sony wouldn't support sacd in these players. I won't buy one unless it can totally replace my Denon 3910. I have no desire for two players in my rack....none.
Yeah, if the new $2,000 Denon DVD-3800BDCI BD player had SACD/DVD-Audio, I would have ordered it ASAP.

I can't believe Denon did not put SACD/DVD-Audio on their flagship BD model!
 
itschris

itschris

Moderator
I wish there were players that were just transports only. I don't need the player to decode since I have that ability in my pre/pro/receiver. I think it would cost a lot less to just have a player Bitstream the signal. I know that starts having to create multiple players from manufacturers, but if they're building the full boat anyway, I think it would be easy just leave something out as opposed to putting more in.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I wish there were players that were just transports only. I don't need the player to decode since I have that ability in my pre/pro/receiver. I think it would cost a lot less to just have a player Bitstream the signal. I know that starts having to create multiple players from manufacturers, but if they're building the full boat anyway, I think it would be easy just leave something out as opposed to putting more in.
I think that's exactly what the Panny BD30 and the Sony 350 are. They just bitstream the TrueHD & DTS-MA to external decoders. And they do cost less.
 
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