New Receiver?

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Sound is like a women..

- Rich

Bit of a stretch there.

More like a good addiction.

 

[PENG]

Well Audyssey may flatten the FR, but that's where Audyssey Dynamic EQ comes in to enhance the bass.

That's what I like about DEQ.

Me, too, and I leave it on all the time because I listen at volume between -20 to -30 most of the time. if I listen to higher level than -15, I could do without DEQ. The truth is, Audyssey does flatten my room curve but at low volume we are much less sensitive to the lower frequencies, i.e. our hearings are not really flat at lower SPL, so we need DEQ to compensate for our hearing that is less sensitive to the lower frequencies.

 

[PENG]

Sound is like a women..

- Rich

You mean women need DEQ too?

 

[PENG]

I hope to own (2) small 8" Hsu subs or a single 10" Hsu sub. Just will have to learn to keep them down given that I reside in an apartment. Thanks for YOUR help Peng. I will also read up on that review in the link YOU provided.

Cheers,

Phil

For two subs you really can benefit from Sub EQ HT, so again that points to the X-4000 that has both XT32 and Sub EQ HT. I think an equivalent Yamaha would be better but if they had Audyssey, but they don't.

 

[speakerman39]

For two subs you really can benefit from Sub EQ HT, so again that points to the X-4000 that has both XT32 and Sub EQ HT. I think an equivalent Yamaha would be better but if they had Audyssey, but they don't.

Yeah, the X4000 is looking mighty fine right about now. The question is, however, will it come down in price to a level that I can afford? Time will only tell.

Cheers,

Phil

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Me, too, and I leave it on all the time because I listen at volume between -20 to -30 most of the time. if I listen to higher level than -15, I could do without DEQ. The truth is, Audyssey does flatten my room curve but at low volume we are much less sensitive to the lower frequencies, i.e. our hearings are not really flat at lower SPL, so we need DEQ to compensate for our hearing that is less sensitive to the lower frequencies.

DEQ is like a good addiction. I'm hooked for life. It stays on 100% of the time in my house.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

You mean women need DEQ too?

If women can appreciate great sound like we do.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Ummmm I could be wrong, but I think YOU really like the Dynamic EQ.........! Given that I reside in a small apartment the Dynamic EQ will certainly be a useful tool for me. Just going to wait a bit longer and see what kind of deal(s) I can get on the X4000 or even perhaps a Yamaha receiver. Have had very good luck with both of them in the past. The Pioneer VSX-1123 seems to have some quality control issues from what I garner. Just scares me like the Onkyo does.......

Cheers,

Phil

3rd time may be a charm.

Call E. expo again, but this time ask if they would price match a price from Amazon of $560 for the X4000 (Authorized dealer). Target price is $650 and not a penny more.

 

[GIEGAR]

Wow man! How on earth do YOU know these things? Thought I knew a lot about receivers, but YOU just proved me wrong......LOL!!!!!!! No really, YOU bring up some very interesting points. I am actually learning something here. BTW, I read some very bad things regarding the Pioneer VSX-1123 in terms of quality control. That being said, I have just about but ALL ruled it out. As such, that leaves me with the Denon AVR-X2000. However, I am also now taking a closer look into the Onkyo TX-NR727 for only $500 with free S&H. There is also the Onkyo TX-NR828 for $600 with free S&H. There is no doubt the NR828 is the MUCH better deal. Never owned a receiver of that caliber. So, I am HIGHLY considering it. Just read about the hdmi board probelms with them. That is certainly something I must consider as to whether or not to take a chance on it. What are YOUR thoughts regarding Onkyo? Just curious is all. Thanks for your help. It is much appreciated.

Cheers,

Phil

Phil, you're now considering $600+ AVR's, and have your eye on $250/pr Polks for mains? If you're finding extra funds, I'd be ploughing them into better speakers and subs, not the AVR. A quality pair of bookshelves from Ascend, PSB, Focal, Monitor Audio, NHT etc and perhaps a bigger sub from Dr Hsu will yield a jump in performance rather than the incremental improvement of going from XT to XT32.

Sorry if I sound like the fun police.

Ummmm I could be wrong, but I think YOU really like the Dynamic EQ.........! Given that I reside in a small apartment the Dynamic EQ will certainly be a useful tool for me. Just going to wait a bit longer and see what kind of deal(s) I can get on the X4000 or even perhaps a Yamaha receiver. Have had very good luck with both of them in the past. The Pioneer VSX-1123 seems to have some quality control issues from what I garner. Just scares me like the Onkyo does.......

Cheers,

Phil

The price of the X2000's and 2113CI's will probably drop further too... and they have perfectly functioning DEQ!

 

[GIEGAR]

Me, too, and I leave it on all the time because I listen at volume between -20 to -30 most of the time. if I listen to higher level than -15, I could do without DEQ. The truth is, Audyssey does flatten my room curve but at low volume we are much less sensitive to the lower frequencies, i.e. our hearings are not really flat at lower SPL, so we need DEQ to compensate for our hearing that is less sensitive to the lower frequencies.

DEQ is like a good addiction. I'm hooked for life. It stays on 100% of the time in my house.

Me three! DEQ 100% of the time, even when higher than -10dBMV. I am OCD about Reference Level Offset though... always adjusting. Movies @ 0; TV/DVR @ 10; Music @ 10 or 5 (depending on genre); concert Blu-rays @ 5 or 10, but I don't know what's strictly "correct".

 

[PENG]

Me three! DEQ 100% of the time, even when higher than -10dBMV. I am OCD about Reference Level Offset though... always adjusting. Movies @ 0; TV/DVR @ 10; Music @ 10 or 5 (depending on genre); concert Blu-rays @ 5 or 10, but I don't know what's strictly "correct".

I believe the movie 0 is based on THX standards, i.e. assuming movies follow those standards, whereas music is at the mercy of the recording/mastering people so 5 and 10 are just gray areas as there is no way to know the exact offset required. I only listen to jazz and classical, preferably live recordings so I typically choose between 0 and 5, but wish there is a 2.5. I did plot some room response graphs with DEQ on and like what I saw.

 

[GIEGAR]

Yeah PENG, I'm 100% comfortable with RLO=0 for movies because (AFAIK) they always mix to THX/SMPTE/Dolby reference for consistency of playback in cinemas. Comfortable with 10 for TV; and comfortable that for music it's consistently inconsistent, requiring 5, 10 or 15 (they have an alignment level, but don't adhere to it). My niggling doubt is with concert Blu-rays... it's music, but is it mixed/mastered to movie standards? I tend to settle on 5 or 10 simply because at 0, the bass seems to overhang and is too prominent in the presentation for me at my preferred volume.

This is what CK reckons: https://audyssey.zendesk.com/entries/73283-Dynamic-EQ-and-Reference-Level.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Me three!

Alright, do I see a fourth hand for DEQ?

And just in case anyone is wondering if DEQ simply increases the volume or bass level, the answer is absolutely NO!

You could increase the subwoofer level by +12.0 dB and it still won't sound as punchy and musical and dynamic as DEQ.

 

[speakerman39]

3rd time may be a charm.

Call E. expo again, but this time ask if they would price match a price from Amazon of $560 for the X4000 (Authorized dealer). Target price is $650 and not a penny more.

Never hurts to try I always say. Will give them a call tomorrow. Not feeling real well right now..

Cheers,

Phil

 

[speakerman39]

Phil, you're now considering $600+ AVR's, and have your eye on $250/pr Polks for mains? If you're finding extra funds, I'd be ploughing them into better speakers and subs, not the AVR. A quality pair of bookshelves from Ascend, PSB, Focal, Monitor Audio, NHT etc and perhaps a bigger sub from Dr Hsu will yield a jump in performance rather than the incremental improvement of going from XT to XT32.

Sorry if I sound like the fun police.


The price of the X2000's and 2113CI's will probably drop further too... and they have perfectly functioning DEQ!

I am only considering the X4000. Yes, it is a bit more expensive but it may be out of my price range. Just going to wait a little bit longer before pulling the trigger. Thus, I want to see what kind of deals that can be had given that Black Friday is right around the corner. As far as speakers are concerned, I have already owned the Ascends and experienced first hand just how good they truly are. However, I also liked the Polk RTi6's quite a bit too and they are less expensive right now. They were just $213 a set which is a great deal on them. Not aware of too many speakers as good as the RTi6's around the $200 or so price range. Yes, the Infinity Primus bookshelfs are also very good as well. But, in the end I preferred the Polk sound. BTW, I can not go bigger sub wise as I reside in a small apartment. I will be doing good just to have an 8" sub let alone two of them. No doubt I will have to keep it or shall I say them down low....LOL!!!!!!!

Cheers,

Phil

 

[Alex2507]

I will be doing good just to have an 8" sub let alone two of them.

I'd say to skip the subs. You've had good bass with dual nearfield subs. That 8" stuff is sure to be a let down and ultimately a waste of money. Get stuff you want and intend to keep ... but how much are you going to sell me that Denon for?

 

[speakerman39]

I'd say to skip the subs. You've had good bass with dual nearfield subs. That 8" stuff is sure to be a let down and ultimately a waste of money. Get stuff you want and intend to keep ... but how much are you going to sell me that Denon for?

Well Alex, YOU do have a point.....LOL!!!!! But, if I do end up with the X4000 it is very doubtful that I will sell it. The STF-1 (8") subs are true over-achievers. Very musical and they can get down low. Now that I am in a small apartment, I think they will EASILY be enough as I am much more music oriented. But like always, I could be wrong. Perhaps a single STF-2 (10") sub would be more ideal. I will tackle that when the times comes. BTW, it is good to see you posting on my thread. Hope all is well YOUR way my friend.

Cheers,

Phil

 

[Jude Escovi]

I am ready for a Denon AVR X4100W until i came across with AVR X4000 (almost half the price) in which there is not so much of a difference in terms of features. I need help in my decision. Thanks in advance

 

[GIEGAR]

I am ready for a Denon AVR X4100W until i came across with AVR X4000 (almost half the price) in which there is not so much of a difference in terms of features. I need help in my decision. Thanks in advance

Jude, this side-by-side compare should help: http://www.crutchfield.com/Responsive/Product/CompareTo.aspx?compareItems=01|033AVX4000&compareItems=01|033AVX4100&g=10420.
If you hit Hide Similar Features you can clearly see the differences.

The bottom line is, if you don't absolutely need Dolby Atmos® processing &/or built-in Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, the X4000 is the one for you.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I am ready for a Denon AVR X4100W until i came across with AVR X4000 (almost half the price) in which there is not so much of a difference in terms of features. I need help in my decision. Thanks in advance

Personally I would go with the X4000 and save the money. That's what I would do if it were my money.