New HD-DVD discs using ICT flag???

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Electone

Audioholic
I was reading reviews at DVDTown on several new HD-DVD discs and the reviewer stated that the back cover of the Warner releases state that you need a digital connection to achieve full HD quality.

So, does this mean that Warner is sticking it to the millions of people who don't have a HDMI connection on their HDTVs?
 
M

Max997

Banned
there has been a lot of speculation about this which had me concerned too

I got my HD DVD player today and I hooked it up using the Component outputs and the picture is great for the 2 discs I have ( Phantom of the Opera and Last Samurai . Im going to stop by a friends sometime this week to see how much different his looks with HDMI but I am getting what looks like HD to me. Obviously it would be better with HDMI
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
This was already stated prior to the release of the player. It has been a known fact for some time that the component outputs will not be able to output full resoultion the way HDMI will becasue it is not copy protected. They're trying to stick it to people who want to pirate their media, not the consumer. However:

The Last Samurai
The Million Dollar Baby
Phantom of The Opera
Serenity
First three by Warners and the last one by Universal, do not have the ICT flag to downrez to 540p when using Component
 
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bri1270

Enthusiast
"They're trying to stick it to people who want to pirate their media, not the consumer."



I strongly disagree. Those that pirate media will find a way around the controls just as they always do. All they are doing is making it more difficult for those people...for a while. For those of us that don't pirate, they're making it difficult...indefinitely, and most likely costing us more money if we choose to buy the stuff to begin with. It's a ham handed way to stick it to anyone that wants to upgrade to the new medium, because they'll have to buy the new player, and possibly a new TV, not to mention cables and whatever else. I like to call it tyranical marketing at it's best. It's crap, total crap, and I think they're going to find that most of the general population won't be to rushing out to upgrade their $2-5K tv, and $200-$500 SD-DVD player to see only marginal improvements.

I won't have to buy a new TV, so I'm one of the lucky ones. I'm still not jumping on this band wagon though, especially for slight improvements...and I'm an enthusiast, tweaker, freak about my system. I can't see it sucking too many people in for a while.
 
Daz3d&Confus3d

Daz3d&Confus3d

Full Audioholic
Yeah at what point do you say....."Im satisfied...my picture and sound are good!"?....lol
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
I don't have to buy a new TV either, but I also don't plan on buying either of the new formats right away either. The fact is that it is the pirating that is directly responsible for the studios having to use copy protection at all.

Yes, the HDMI thing means a new TV for some of those who want to benefit from this level of picture quality, but if they're looking for that level of quality, then it would seem to go hand in hand that they are going to be prepared to spend a bit more.
 
WmAx

WmAx

Audioholic Samurai
j_garcia said:
The fact is that it is the pirating that is directly responsible for the studios having to use copy protection at all.
Before I comment, please realize that this subject upsets me, and my reply will be biased in that regard. I also consider this subject to more of a casual conversation, as opposed to my typical posts. Therefor, I will use speculations as part of my reply.

'Pirating' has always existed. No technological measure has ever prevented real pirates from pirating, when there was a high demand for the material to be pirated. It's a part of doing business. The laws of copyright provide strong protection to the copyright holders. But it's never enough to the companies typical of the MPAA and RIAA. The studios and record companies have rarely demonstrated competence in these regards. They have systematically and aggressively tried to control and/or eliminate almost every new technology as it has appeared. Remember when they tried to get radio banned? Then tape recorders? Then VCRs? Then MP3 players? Now they are actively trying to get all sorts of flags enabled to remove ability to record from the radio without absurd restrictions, flags on DVR recordings to control when, or when you can, how long they can exist, etc. The blocking of the HD output from the analog outputs is just another idiotic move in a long history of idiotic moves. Fair use rights be damned. Copyright is limited in scope to both parties(consumers and copyright holders), and it supposed to be on a balance of compromise[research this area of history and law]. Remember, copyrights/patents were not enacted from the perspective of giving people/companies a new way of profit, they were enacted to promote the creation of new material, for the benefit of society. But little things like balance and fair use, don't seem to be the concern of anyone today except for the consumer, whom ironically, can not even seem to vote enough people in political office that stand for the consumer, since apparently other motivations not related to what citizens want, appears to be more important to many elected officials, when large/rich corporations get involved. How else could a blatantly bad law like the DMCA get enacted? A law that in effect, removes many fair use rights that you are granted under copyright law, by way of a legal loophole. It might seem extreme, but so far as I can tell, "F*ck the consumer!" appears to be the motto that most of these companies live by.

-Chris
 
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JeffD2.

JeffD2.

Audioholic
WmAx said:
Before I comment, please realize that this subject upsets me, and my reply will be biased in that regard. I also consider this subject to more of a casual conversation, as opposed to my typical posts. Therefor, I will use speculations as part of my reply.

'Pirating' has always existed. No technological measure has ever prevented real pirates from pirating, when there was a high demand for the material to be pirated. It's a part of doing business. The laws of copyright provide strong protection to the copyright holders. But it's never enough to the companies typical of the MPAA and RIAA. The studios and record companies have rarely demonstrated competence in these regards. They have systematically and aggressively tried to control and/or eliminate almost every new technology as it has appeared. Remember when they tried to get radio banned? Then tape recorders? Then VCRs? Then MP3 players? Now they are actively trying to get all sorts of flags enabled to remove ability to record from the radio without absurd restrictions, flags on DVR recordings to control when, or when you can, how long they can exist, etc. The blocking of the HD output from the analog outputs is just another idiotic move in a long history of idiotic moves. Fair use rights be damned. Copyright is limited in scope to both parties(consumers and copyright holders), and it supposed to be on a balance of compromise[research this area of history and law]. Remember, copyrights/patents were not enacted from the perspective of giving people/companies a new way of profit, they were enacted to promote the creation of new material, for the benefit of society. But little things like balance and fair use, don't seem to be the concern of anyone today except for the consumer, whom ironically, can not even seem to vote enough people in political office that stand for the consumer, since apparently other motivations not related to what citizens want, appears to be more important to many elected officials, when large/rich corporations get involved. How else could a blatantly bad law like the DMCA get enacted? A law that in effect, removes many fair use rights that you are granted under copyright law, by way of a legal loophole. It might seem extreme, but so far as I can tell, "F*ck the consumer!" appears to be the motto that most of these companies live by.

-Chris
I can't see "F*ck the consumer" being stated in the boardroom since that's where all their income originates. As owners the copyrighted material, they're trying to squeeze every dollar out of their property. Who wouldn't?

Owning 300+ dvds, I've yet to find it necessary to make a back-up disc and don't own a single pirated title, though it wouldn't be difficult.

I'll agree on the rest of your points. If it can be ENcoded, it can be UNcoded.
 
B

BostonMark

Audioholic
Do you have kids?

JeffD2. said:
I can't see "F*ck the consumer" being stated in the boardroom since that's where all their income originates. As owners the copyrighted material, they're trying to squeeze every dollar out of their property. Who wouldn't?

Owning 300+ dvds, I've yet to find it necessary to make a back-up disc and don't own a single pirated title, though it wouldn't be difficult.

I'll agree on the rest of your points. If it can be ENcoded, it can be UNcoded.

I use DVD -X routinely to back up movies that my son watches. It is one way to ENSURE that I don't have to drop another 20 bucks every time, he or one of his friends wants to watch LOTRs, Star Wars, or Harry Potter, or any number of Miyazaki titles, or Pixar titles and getting various oils, peanut butter, scratches etc. on the discs. That way my original is safe, and he can watch to his hearts content. I still remember lending my brother the then COMPLETELY UNAVAILABLE Toy Story I & 2 set, only to have it scratched up. My brother actually bought me a replacement set on Ebay, I felt bad, and wished he had borrowed it at a time when I saw the need to make back up copies. Not all people who make back ups of their DVDs or CDs are Video Pirates. oops gotta go, I need to feed my parrot, I type too darn slow with this eye patch on.
 
I

ian1386

Enthusiast
First three by Warners and the last one by Universal, do not have the ICT flag to downrez to 540p when using Component
Is 540p the same as 1080i?
 
R

Reorx

Full Audioholic
ian1386 said:
Is 540p the same as 1080i?
No, it isnt the same. 1080i > 540p

WmAx, I agree with you. btw, if you didnt know, many of these CEO's buy stock in the hardware companies. So when they make a change, which causes consumers to have to buy new hardware, they make a profit of that as well.

JeffD2, you must not have any kids. I have only 40-50 DVD's, and have backups made. Which is good, cause my kid has destroyed many a dvd copy.

On top of that, many people become pirates because they are tired of buying piss poor albums, or watching a horrible movie. Usually 1-2 songs out of 16+ are worth listening to. This has helped online mp3 sales.

I honestly believe that movie critics are given money by the movie studios to give positive reviews of $h!ty movies. I can't remember the last time I actually liked a movie that they liked.

Anyways, Pirates will always find a way to pirate. Nothing the MPAA / RIAA can do will change that.

/rant off
 

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