New AV System? Need some guidance...

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koskilla

Audiophyte
Hey everyone!

I'm looking to buy a new receiver and speakers with a pretty tight budget. I was originally thinking about going with 5.1 but it looks like you can get decent emulated surround out of 2.1? The room it is in is relatively small, but not tiny. I don't think it would need 5 speakers to fill the room, but how much better would it sound?

I would like everything to get connected to the HDTV via 1 HDMI output. I would have a DVD player, Xbox 360, Computer audio and a couple other unimportant things coming in, so nothing too special there. Basically a component in, HDMI in, a composite in and a few normal audio ins. And of course either a 5.1 or 2.1 speaker setup with sub.

What should I be looking at with a budget of 500-600 max?
 
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ECLIPSEONYA

Junior Audioholic
Not sure about how far you can get with speakers outside a pair of bookshelfs but for a receiver take a look at the Yamaha 663. It is selling for under $400.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
Receiver and speakers for $500-600 max? And you want HDMI? I don't think you are going to get much for that amount of money. The Yamaha mentioned by ECLIPSEONYA is evidently a great deal, but it takes up too much of your budget. $200 left for speakers will not buy you much. If you can give up on HDMI, you could buy a used surround receiver quite cheap (approx. $100 for something old and decent), and then spend the bulk of your money on speakers, which will affect the sound far more than anything else.

If you must have HDMI, and new, I would probably go ahead and buy that Yamaha, and buy a pair of bookshelf speakers with the rest of the money, and therefore have a 2 channel system, hoping to one day use them as rear speakers and buy new fronts and a subwoofer later on, when I had some more money to spend.

As for emulated surround from a 2 channel (or 2.1) system, it will never sound like a real 5 channel (or 5.1) system, but trying to buy 5.1 speakers will get you much lower quality speakers than if you spent it on fewer speakers. And low quality speakers don't sound nearly as good as higher quality speakers.

On your tight budget, I would buy everything used, because you will be able to get better sound for your money used than new, if you are careful. Of course, you might not be comfortable with that, and may therefore prefer to buy new.
 
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koskilla

Audiophyte
Ok, thank you guys. That yamaha looks great. I may be willing to up my budget, if the difference is enough. Assuming I get that receiver, what am I looking at for a decent set of speakers?
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
Ok, thank you guys. That yamaha looks great. I may be willing to up my budget, if the difference is enough. Assuming I get that receiver, what am I looking at for a decent set of speakers?
Define "decent". For some time, I was running a receiver that retailed for about $600 with speakers that retailed for over $6000. I have since replaced the receiver with something that retails for about $1600 because I wanted more features, but it sounds the same as the less expensive receiver. Given your starting budget, I doubt you will want to go that high, but basically the more you are willing to spend on speakers, the better you can get, at least until you get up to a few thousand dollars. The moral to the story, in case you have missed it, is that the receiver matters far less for sound quality than the speakers. The receiver recommended to you is one that I would be fine with, used with my speakers. But if you were willing to give up HDMI (and the new audio formats on Blu-Ray), you could buy a used receiver that should otherwise sound just as good for about $100 and spend the saved money on better speakers. At your price point, extra money on speakers will get you very noticeably better sound. However, you must decide what you value most.

It has been too long since I looked at speakers costing close to your price range, so I will leave it to others to make suggestions for you. For example, the cheapest subwoofer I would recommend would cost about $429 plus shipping. And then you would still need the 5 speakers. So that isn't likely to be overly helpful.

In case you are curious about the "budget" subwoofer I would recommend:
http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-10nsd.cfm

Basically, what you should do, is go to some audio shops in your area, and listen to as many inexpensive speakers as you can, priced up to the highest you are willing to pay. No speaker is perfect (especially in your price range), and only you can decide which virtues and which vices are important to you. Do remember, eventually, you will end up with a subwoofer, so none of your other speakers need to go much below 80 Hz. A -3 dB point of 60 Hz would be excellent, as you should undoubtedly use the bass management in the receiver to send all the deep bass to your subwoofer (when you get one).

If you are willing to buy only some speakers now, and save money for the rest later on, that would be a reasonable thing to do. Just make sure you end up with all three front speakers matching each other, so that when something moves across your screen, the sound does not change tonal quality when it moves across the front.
 
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koskilla

Audiophyte
For me the receiver is extremely important, because its one of the main reasons I am switching to a new system. I want all of my electronics running through one unit. Sound is important, but I obviously don't need incredible sounding speakers. Down the road I will buy some nice ones, but for now they don't need to be absolutely amazing. How would something like the Onkyo SKS-HT240 or SKS-HT540 sound for the price?
 
Midcow2

Midcow2

Banned
speakers and receiver for tight budget

Cambridge Audio S30 - Excellent bookshelf size speakers for about $219/pair
http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&q=Cambridge+Audio+S30&um=1&ie=UTF-8

You can get some HDMI receivers pretty cheap. Onkyo TX-SR506 ( new) HDMI passthru (no unconvert) 3 HDMI in 1 out. retail $379 estimatated purchase price around $230 with shipping http://electronics.pricegrabber.com/home-audio-receivers/m/65331161/search=Onkyo TX-SR506/st=product/sv=button/

Total cost $450

Get other speakers later. You will like this system ;)
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
Hey everyone!....

I would like everything to get connected to the HDTV via 1 HDMI output. I would have a DVD player, Xbox 360, Computer audio and a couple other unimportant things coming in, so nothing too special there. Basically a component in, HDMI in, a composite in and a few normal audio ins. And of course either a 5.1 or 2.1 speaker setup with sub.

What should I be looking at with a budget of 500-600 max?
While I understand the convenience of not having to pick up a remote, and select "Component Input" vs "HDMI input".... is this convenience REALLY worth compromising your choice of speakers?

Well, what I mean to say is this: The Yammy is one heckuva value. But, IMO, with this limited budget, I say to go cheap on the receiver. Maybe a $100 superceded receiver. Then buy however many quality speakers you can. Two possible candidates that I recently recommended include KRK monitors for $200, or PSB B15s for $230.

If you get a $100 receiver, you can do a 4.0, maybe even 5.0 within budget, and at least you would have decent speakers. Or, yes, instead a "decent" 2.1. GOOD LUCK!!
 

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