need some guidance on what to buy speaker wise

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fredk

Audioholic General
If you are looking at Paradigm you might also consider something like the Axiom M22. They are not quite as nice as the Studio 20/40, but fit your budget and are a lot nicer than the Klipsch offerings, and I think would be better than the titan or mini.

I would go for Used Studio 20s before picking up anything Klipsch in that price range.
 
TjMV3

TjMV3

Full Audioholic
LOL, how can i say no to that. i WILL go audition more speakers, i just don't find the time, that's why i was asking. but you keep mentioning the paradigm so i gotta go try them out for sure.

also, i heard you are french. french or french canadian?
Firstly, go with what sounds good to your ears. Audition the Klipsch, Paradigms, the Jamos and whatever else you want to consider.

Then go with what sounds best to YOUR ears and what works best for you and your budget.

I personally don't like Paradigm's lower level...to their Monitor Series. I think they suck barbwire. But that shouldn't stop you from assaulting your ears and brain:D:D:p
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

Banned
LOL, how can i say no to that. i WILL go audition more speakers, i just don't find the time, that's why i was asking. but you keep mentioning the paradigm so i gotta go try them out for sure.

also, i heard you are french. french or french canadian?
Hi blarf,

I was born just few miles from Montreal. I live in Quebec, near Montreal for almost 20 years.
So, I'm French Quebecquois Canadian North American.
I've got Indian blood (Black Foot, from the Apalachian mountains, originally descending from the the higher parts of USA), Irish blood and French European blood.

I now live in British Columbia, at the other opposite of Canada, in the West.
I lived in the mountains (all over) of British Columbia for over 20 years.
I am now an Islander (Vancouver Island, Victoria) for the lat 15 years.

So I'm pure Canadian indeed.

Cheers,
Robert

Note: If you don't take the time to audition some speakers, what is it really worth to live in this super crazy world that we live in?
 
Crackerballer

Crackerballer

Senior Audioholic
When I first got into all this HT and speaker stuff, I had heard a lot of "entry" brand speakers(Bose :(, JBL, Polk, etc) and never auditioned anything serious. I found this forum and someone recommended trying the Paradigms.

I auditioned a set of Studio 20s and bought them less than a week later. I still kick myself for selling them. LOTR is right, if you have a dealer within reasonable driving distance, you need to audition a lot of Paradigms stuff. I never heard anything outside the Studio lineup, but I tried the v3 20s, 40s, and 60s and was blown away (Master and Commander, opening sceen on Blu-ray). I went with the 20s because of budget, and I see they don't make the 40s anymore, which sucks because it was a nice larger bookshelf.

If it were me and I were in no rush, I would keep an eye out for a set of Studio 40s. They are gonna be more than your budget, but you would NEVER have to replace them if you took care of them. If you upgraded to towers, they would be the ultimate surrounds.
 
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blarf

Audioholic Intern
hey i found a pair of used Paradigm studio 80 v.2 for $560. would they be worth it or not?

Also i was wondering, since i'm planning on buying a Hsu VTF3 subwoofer, do i still need floorstanding speakers or i can get by with bookshelves?. remember it will be 90$ht and 10%music
 
Crackerballer

Crackerballer

Senior Audioholic
The question is, do you want to just "get by"?

Don't rule out bookshelves just because some people say they lack the low end. Those Studio 40s I audtioned "got by" pretty damn well without a sub. And if those Paradigms are in good shape, that's a good deal.
 
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blarf

Audioholic Intern
The question is, do you want to just "get by"?

Don't rule out bookshelves just because some people say they lack the low end. Those Studio 40s I audtioned "got by" pretty damn well without a sub. And if those Paradigms are in good shape, that's a good deal.
what you mean by "just get by"
 
J

just listening

Audioholic
Blarf:
The Studio 80v2's are nice and for the price a fine pickup. But be prepared as for some the tweeter becomes too bright over long periods of listening. With each new series Paradigm calmed the tweeter down. The latest series which I heard last weekend, is a huge improvement.
 
Crackerballer

Crackerballer

Senior Audioholic
Speakers are the most subjective and important part of your system. As long as you power them accordingly, no other piece of equipment will add or subtract to your listening experience. There are 2 ways to buy speakers. 1: I have X budget and I want this, this, and this, what fits my bill? 2: I want this, this, and this in a speaker, what sounds best to me (price not important).

Judging by your first post, you are the first. So you have several options. You know you want 3 speakers now, but if you plan on making a long term investment I argue that you would be better off getting the best front 2 speakers you can afford now, adding a center later, then backs when necessary. Doesn't matter if they are floorstanding or books. Or you can buy 3 speakers that will just "get you by", as in yes you will have 3 speakers, but how is the sound quality? Build Quality? Aesthetics?

Thats why I think you will be happier with 2 used nice Paradigms than 3 new lesser quality speakers (JBL, Polk, etc).
 
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blarf

Audioholic Intern
Speakers are the most subjective and important part of your system. As long as you power them accordingly, no other piece of equipment will add or subtract to your listening experience. There are 2 ways to buy speakers. 1: I have X budget and I want this, this, and this, what fits my bill? 2: I want this, this, and this in a speaker, what sounds best to me (price not important).

Judging by your first post, you are the first. So you have several options. You know you want 3 speakers now, but if you plan on making a long term investment I argue that you would be better off getting the best front 2 speakers you can afford now, adding a center later, then backs when necessary. Doesn't matter if they are floorstanding or books. Or you can buy 3 speakers that will just "get you by", as in yes you will have 3 speakers, but how is the sound quality? Build Quality? Aesthetics?

Thats why I think you will be happier with 2 used nice Paradigms than 3 new lesser quality speakers (JBL, Polk, etc).
ok got it. thank you. i do have to agree with you. i'm number1.... i think it is mainly because i don't really know what i want. but luckly you guys are here to "guide" me toward the right direction. i'm gonna go listen to some more today. Hopefully i'll get a better idea of what i want
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
You may or may not make Paradigms your final choice, but I feel they are a speaker which has a good balance of doing everything well without any aspects that really call attention to itself (in a good or bad way). As such, I think they make a good reference standard for auditioning other speakers.
Of course, the real problem is getting speakers from two different shops into the same room! Ask each and every dealer you see about bringing speakers into their shop and also if they have a policy about returning speakers. So far I have found one dealer that will let me bring anything into their shop and one that will let me buy their display models (or open box stock) and return them with no penalty.
It is just the way I'm wired, but once I have narrowed the field, I am willing to pay a little money (reasonable shipping fees or restocking fees) to be able to have the speakers side-by-side in my room for several days just to make sure. :)

In your position, I would first trial several free audition mail order speakers (Amperion, The Speaker Company, etc) pick your champion from those and take it to the local dealers and see how things shake out. I'd bet that you could even extend the 30 day trial a week or two with the mail order companies if you got tight on timing.
 
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Crackerballer

Crackerballer

Senior Audioholic
You may or may not make Paradigms your final choice, but I feel they are a speaker which has a good balance of doing everything well without any aspects that really call attention to itself (in a good or bad way). As such, I think they make a good reference standard for auditioning other speakers.
Of course, the real problem is getting speakers from two different shops into the same room! Ask each and every dealer you see about bringing speakers into their shop and also if they have a policy about returning speakers. So far I have found one dealer that will let me bring anything into their shop and one that will let me buy their display models (or open box stock) and return them with no penalty.
It is just the way I'm wired, but once I have narrowed the field, I am willing to pay a little money (reasonable shipping fees or restocking fees) to be able to have the speakers side-by-side in my room for several days just to make sure. :)

In your position, I would first trial several free audition mail order speakers (Amperion, The Speaker Company, etc) pick your champion from those and take it to the local dealers and see how things shake out. I'd bet that you could even extend the 30 day trial a week or two with the mail order companies if you got tight on timing.
Great information in this post, I agree with every bit of it. The shop I bought my Paradigms from also sold JL labs, Def Tech I think and a few others. It was nice to see multiple lines and offerings and get not only a sound comparison, but a price and aesthetics comparison.
 
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blarf

Audioholic Intern
Well I'm back.
Drove 3Hrs round trip to listen to some Paradigm speakers (Atom, Mini, Titan, Studio 20 & 40).
The drive was worth it. Damn those speakers sounded good. I didn't care too much for the Atom. I thought the Mini were good. but the Titan and the studio 20 were something else. the studio 40 were good too but i couldn't tell any differences so too much money for me.

well now it is between the Mini, Titan and studio 20. I'm going more toward the Titan (price wise).

I just gotta make the trip down to LA to listen to the Hsu and then I will know what to buy
 
Crackerballer

Crackerballer

Senior Audioholic
Well I'm back.
Drove 3Hrs round trip to listen to some Paradigm speakers (Atom, Mini, Titan, Studio 20 & 40).
The drive was worth it. Damn those speakers sounded good. I didn't care too much for the Atom. I thought the Mini were good. but the Titan and the studio 20 were something else. the studio 40 were good too but i couldn't tell any differences so too much money for me.

well now it is between the Mini, Titan and studio 20. I'm going more toward the Titan (price wise).

I just gotta make the trip down to LA to listen to the Hsu and then I will know what to buy
Smart man. What version 40s did you listen to? They aren't listed as having a V5 Studio 40 on the website. I could only tell the difference in the 20s and 40s in the lower levels without a sub. If you are definately getting a sub, then yes you can save the coin and go with the 20s. If you don't mind me asking, do you have pricing for the Titans/20s/40s?
 
J

just listening

Audioholic
Sadly, the Studio 40's were retired. What Paradigm did do, is beef up the 20's and ad in a new model, the 10's in version 5. If you do decide to go with the older series, make sure to get a seriously good deal.
 
cwall99

cwall99

Full Audioholic
I dunno. For $400 or $500 I'd opt for just the front left and right in a good stereo mix. They can migrate to your back channels when you have enough money for a good, new set of speakers with matching drivers across the front.

But, in the mean time, a good pair of stereo speakers up front will sound a lot better than three cruddy (or used - remember, you don't know how the previous owner use or abused them) speakers.

One place to check things out, and now is a good time to go, is local hi-fi shops to see what they're putting on sale for cheap as they try to get rid of their demos. I got my B&W DM603s (and the LCR600) for a huge discount buying demos off the showroom floor... and they'd been extremely lightly used.
 
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blarf

Audioholic Intern
Smart man. What version 40s did you listen to? They aren't listed as having a V5 Studio 40 on the website. I could only tell the difference in the 20s and 40s in the lower levels without a sub. If you are definately getting a sub, then yes you can save the coin and go with the 20s. If you don't mind me asking, do you have pricing for the Titans/20s/40s?
the titans were in the 580s, the 20s were in the low 900s a nd i think the 40s were in the 1100s
 
J

just listening

Audioholic
the titans were in the 580s, the 20s were in the low 900s a nd i think the 40s were in the 1100s
IMHO, for being an out-of-date model, they're asking too much. The version 5's come stock in a nice veneer, plus the new cabinet design and other improvements, it would be worth the $$ difference in what they're asking for the v4's.
 
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