Need help with room Treatment...

Warpdrv

Warpdrv

Audioholic Ninja
Nice... gives me some ideas, I appreciate that link on building panels.
I have plenty of tools and can make some of this stuff, so I guess I got some more reading material...

any more DIY stuff would be very helpful..

thanks everyone for helping me with information provided, I really appreciate it.

Thought Id post a pic of my new speaks in the room... just got them last night..
They sound really nice.. :)

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/home theater/IMG_1645-small.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/home theater/IMG_1647-small.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/home theater/AVsetup002.jpg

Thanks

Warp
 
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Scott R. Foster

Junior Audioholic
bpape said:
Corner placement can provide some benefits - but also some drawbacks. Also, corner placement will not eliminate standing waves and room modes nor will it do anything to deal with overall decay times. About the only thing it can do is help focus the early reflections away from the seating location.

Bryan
I don't want to start a flame war.. but I beg to differ on the following points:

1) In the case of an overly strong reverb field and low modal density at low frequencies, corner mounted porous absorbers are a high efficiency solution, I fail to see the drawbacks of corner placement in a typical room. Corner mounted low frequency capable bass traps, and early reflection control are the one-two punch of a standard acoustic treatment scheme. I don't think it is sensible to discount or elevate one task versus the other, they both are important and beneficial.

2) A properly configured corner mounted porous absorber treatment scheme that includes tri-corners [such as where wall/wall/ceiling meet] will effect all of the modal resonances of a room [all of the standing waves]... they don't go away just because you treated the corners, but you do get smoother low frequency resonances. In any event, you don't want to treat the room's resonances [standing wave modal resonances or otherwise] into non-existence, that would not only be a Herculean task, but would sound horrible.

3) Any introduction of absorbent material into the room will reduce reverb field strength. This is true whether the material is corner mounted, or otherwise. But, corner mounting is especially beneficial because a properly configured corner mount encounters ALL of the room's modal resonance frequencies, and there is a LF performance boost of the absorber efficiency in corner locations. To say that corner mounting can't be effective on the room's standing waves is backwards... the tri-corner is the ONLY place in the room you can effect all of the room's resonances from one spot.

4) Corner mounting of absorbers is rarely the right way to address early reflections - early reflection treatment typically requires side wall / ceiling / and rear wall treatments as these are the locations of the early reflections - corner treatments, generally, are about diminishing overall reverb content across the entire band and such mountings are especially good at diminishing LF resonances.
 
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Scott R. Foster

Junior Audioholic
Warpdrv said:
Im not finding alot of problems with the bass... it sounds pretty good.
Although I haven't done any major room analysis.

The room is obviously reflective, and Reverberant I was just trying to tame it a bit..

What is early reflection...?

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I don't mind making things up myself, I can be quite handy, so construction of panels in an artistic fashion could be acheived. Is there a guide to building panels, and maybe I could get the material from one of the sponsers here..
Warp:

Here are some DIY porous absorber designs you may wish to consider - read up on StudioTips Corner Absorbers and SuperChunks:

http://forum.studiotips.com/viewforum.php?f=8

General design rules for DIY broadband bass traps are:

1) You do not need heavy frames - light weight = easy to install, easy to adjust placement;

2) You do not want or need to encase or seal the mineral fiber core with acoustically opaque side or back panels. You only need enough framing to provide a means of stapling down your upholstery;

3) Any breathable fabric will work fine, and if you mount them with a gap +/- = to panel thickness - between the panel and the wall - you will get a LF performance boost.

You can make them in funny shapes for early reflection control, but in corner mountings you want to have the panel's back side edges touch the room boundaries [walls/ceilings/floors] as this proximity in placement enhances low frequency performance.

Here is a basic article on what an early reflection is:

http://readyacoustics.com/index.php?go=acoustics-advice.early-reflections

The key to understanding the issue of early reflections as a practical matter is that it boils down to psycho-acoustics. There is no such thing as a stereo field... there is no 3 dimensional field coming from you speakers that reproduces the actual array of sound components at their original locations/distances from the listener. Instead the stereo field is physical interaction between the output of only two sources that re-creates an image of the original acoustic conditions - which can include any number of virtual locations for sound sources. As such, the stereo image is fragile, and early reflections disturb the ability of your brain to maintain the illusion. Treating early reflections helps your room support the conditions for a detailed stereo image.

Sounds like you may build some really neat units - good luck - pics or it didn't happen :)
 
Warpdrv

Warpdrv

Audioholic Ninja
Thanks so much guys for all your help...

I will be working on this slowly but surely, as a single father, and a business owner, time will be of limited quantity....

I might buy, or build.. depending on how things pan out in the near future...

Much Obliged.... :)

Warp
 
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bpape

Audioholic Chief
Scott.

I was not referring to corner mounting of absrobers - I'll agree that this has benefits. I was responding to the OP's statement that he had set the entire system up diagonally across a corner in an attempt to eliminate reflection problems. I was merely pointing out that the modal issues will still exist in that arrangement. Sorry if you didn't read it that way.

Bryan
 
Glenn Kuras

Glenn Kuras

Full Audioholic
Warpdrv said:
Thanks so much guys for all your help...

I will be working on this slowly but surely, as a single father, and a business owner, time will be of limited quantity....

I might buy, or build.. depending on how things pan out in the near future...

Much Obliged.... :)

Warp
If you are a single father and a business owner then I got my money on you will be buying!! Trust me I understand the time you have or should I say DON'T HAVE.;)
 
Warpdrv

Warpdrv

Audioholic Ninja
myfipie said:
If you are a single father and a business owner then I got my money on you will be buying!! Trust me I understand the time you have or should I say DON'T HAVE.;)

Hhehehe yeah but at the same time... Im a cheap ***... and I get frustrated when I can't get things my way, like with those sonsuede panels...
The way I read it, I have to buy a whole kit in order to just get the trapazoid panels... which is all im after. Im not saying I don't need all those other products, but I know I won't be happy with the look, so I will probably have to make custom panels, to fit in the places I need to treat, while at the same time looking artistic in some form or fashion..
I have found a few companys that have a good selection of attractive fabrics.
http://www.acousticalsurfaces.com/acoustical_fabric/index.htm
http://www.atsacoustics.com/cat--ATS-Acoustic-Panels-with-Designer-Fabrics--105.html
http://www.acousticalsurfaces.com/acoustical_fabric/network.htm
http://www.acousticalsurfaces.com/acoustical_fabric/costline.htm

QUESTION: is there a limitation as to what I should be able to use for fabric, can I just go to Jo-Ann fabrics and pic stuff out.. or does it have to be a sonic fabric..?

Im just getting ready to have that room painted, and I would like to have panels with a decorative theme that people will say wow, those are cool and they serve a purpose as well? :)

Thanks

Warp
 
Warpdrv

Warpdrv

Audioholic Ninja
bpape said:
I was responding to the OP's statement that he had set the entire system up diagonally across a corner in an attempt to eliminate reflection problems. Bryan
I did not set this system up diagonally to eliminate reflection, It was the only layout that I had to work with, with all the windows in this rediculus room.. :)
I had merely posted what info was passed on to me, that its possible that actually might have some benefits, but not necesseraly.
 
Warpdrv

Warpdrv

Audioholic Ninja
Thanks so much Scott for that information, enormous help...

My house is so new to me, I have lots of projects to work out as well as this...
So sooner or later I will get this done, but its -15 degrees outside, so I won't be out building any frames until it starts warming up... :)

Warp
 
Warpdrv

Warpdrv

Audioholic Ninja
Hmmm can't seem to edit my last post here...

at any rate..

I called Aurelex and it turns out that they changed their tune, and will sell just the Trapezoidal pieces for information sake....
here is a link for the specs and special order colors...

Warp
 
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