Need help with first HT setup (~$7k budget)

AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I haven't heard the Philharmonic before, how would they compare to the Kef Q900s?
The Philharmonic speakers sound awesome. They are the best bang-for-your-buck speakers. I would put them up against speakers costing $8,000/pr.

For cost reasons it comes down to 2 Rythmik FV12s vs 2 HSU VTF-15Hs.
Both great choices. The FV12 actually has the same output as the Rythmik F15 from above 20Hz, but the F15 has more output below 20Hz. I don't care much for anything below 20Hz, so the FV12 is the best value since it has Servo-Direct, which means a Q value of 0.5, which means tight bass.

Denon 4311c - $1500
Kef Q900 x2 (L/R) - $1,800
Kef Q600c (Center) - $650
Kef Q800dc x2 (L/R Surround) - $800
HSU Research VTF-15H DualDrive Package - $1700
You can get the Denon 4311 for $1225 delivered from Electronics Expo.

The Q900 for $1350/pr, Q600c $450, Q800dc $565/pr delivered from Onecall.
 
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templemaners

Senior Audioholic
You can get the Denon 4311 for $1225 delivered from Electronics Expo.
I'm going to have to keep that in mind. My 4311 has been having problems lately, so I might need to get a replacement. Either that, or switch to a different model. :mad: :mad: :( :mad: :mad:
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I'm going to have to keep that in mind. My 4311 has been having problems lately, so I might need to get a replacement. Either that, or switch to a different model. :mad: :mad: :( :mad: :mad:
What kind of problems?

The more issues I see (with any brands), the more I think it's best to just get something like the Denon 3312 when it's on sale for $550. It's doesn't hurt as bad when things go bad or when it's time to upgrade.

I'm using two Denon 3310 for the Orion & Phil3.
 
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templemaners

Senior Audioholic
What kind of problems?

The more issues I see (with any brands), the more I think it's best to just get something like the Denon 3312 when it's on sale for $550. It's doesn't hurt as bad when things go bad or when it's time to upgrade.

I'm using two Denon 3310 for the Orion & Phil3.
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The most noticeable thing I've seen is that I lose a ton of menu items w/o warning. Tried unplugging for 30 min and that didn't help. All that gets left is Source Select, Surround Mode, and Information. No Audyssey, no manual speaker set up, the list goes on. Just gone. Try plugging in the Audyssey mic, no response whatsoever. The other thing I notice with it is the Zone 2 and Zone 3 get renamed to something weird... one time it was ZONe3? and another time it had a 3/4th's sign in the middle :confused:

And today, I was trying to watch blu-ray and prior to start up, it would flip between my front left and subwoofer channel levels (you know how you can adjust them on the fly right?) really fast. :eek:

Just weird stuff like that. I've done various microprocessor resets and it resolves it temporarily, but I think I'll try updating the firmware next to see if that helps. It sucks because it was working great for a while - well, after I got it back from the shop the first time - but now it's just buggy and works weird. Extra sucky part: the one year warranty just expired since it was a refurb. :( :mad:

So, I'm going to try a few more things before I take it to a shop. With the problems I've had at the beginning and now, I think I might just have gotten a lemon (I hope). It still seems to put out audio ok though (XT32, DynEq and all that stuff I use), so it's still useable to some degree. But yeah, if firmware doesn't help and it's expensive to repair, I'm going to have to look long and hard about a.) getting that lemon fixed, b.) buying a new 4311 for ~1200 (booooo :mad:), or c.) going a new, cheaper direction for my receiver needs. I still think feature wise, it's one of the best models on the market, and I really like the Audyssey suite on there. Though, in retrospect, I think the SubEQ is going to waste since I went with one monster sub vs. two smaller subs. So, I might look at something like the Onkyo 818 instead, or maybe a lower level Yamaha - reassess my setup to see if I really need a $2100 MSRP receiver with $1500's worth of speakers... who knows. :confused:

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cpp

cpp

Audioholic Ninja
Hey templemanners, that is some weird stuff. I've had mine now for a year, not the first problem. The 4311 has been rock solid. Give Denon a call Contact Us | DENON US
 
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templemaners

Senior Audioholic
Hey templemanners, that is some weird stuff. I've had mine now for a year, not the first problem. The 4311 has been rock solid. Give Denon a call Contact Us | DENON US
That's on the list to do if things go wrong again. I want to document what is wrong more clearly in case I do, just so there's no confusion...
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
...after I got it back from the shop the first time - but now it's just buggy and works weird. Extra sucky part: the one year warranty just expired since it was a refurb. :( :mad:
That sucks.

I know exactly what you mean about refurbs! I've had my shares in the past.:mad:

As I've said many times, refurbished AVR sucks! I would never ever buy another refurb again!

I wouldn't buy a refurb even if it had a 4 yr warranty.

I would take two brand new Denon 3312 @ $550 each than any refurbished!

Where did you buy it?
 
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templemaners

Senior Audioholic
That sucks.

I know exactly what you mean about refurbs! I've had my shares in the past.:mad:

As I've said many times, refurbished AVR sucks! I would never ever buy another refurb again!

I wouldn't buy a refurb even if it had a 4 yr warranty.

I would take two brand new Denon 3312 @ $550 each than any refurbished!

Where did you buy it?
I'm 2/3 for refurbs. My Denon 589 from Dakmart in my office has worked without fail for 2 yrs now, and my parents 890 from eCost seems to be working well - haven't heard any issues at least. But this 4311, also from Dakmart (who's godawful BTW)... I think it's cursed or something :eek: hahaha. It was a penny wise, pound foolish move on my part since I could have gotten a new one for 300 or so more at the time. ::sigh:: Well, at least I know better for next time.

A $550 dollar 3312 sounds pretty good right about now.... :)
 
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