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ImcLoud

ImcLoud

Audioholic Ninja
I am quite set in my decision to get the svs ultra towers, I am sure that system you described is an absolute beast but I from the research I have done I am confident the svs towers will be great fro what I want.
Its just that I don't think you will like the sound of the towers making the bass and the subs producing the same sound.. I tried this and ended up crossing the bass out of my towers to clean it up, plus this leaves more power for the highs, let the subs do what they are made to do, make the bass.. And IMO, you want a fast sealed musical sub, if you get an HT designed sub, you will be missing out, them HSU's I linked you to are very musical and powerful...

The SVS towers are most likely going to be very nice, its just I think you can do better for the money with what you are trying to accomplish. Since they are not really loose yet, its hard to get real world opinions on them, and I picture them in a stand alone 2.0 or a H.T system in a pretty large room...
Either way you are working on one heck of a system for sure, but when I built my system I tried so many other I was almost going to give up and get a nice set of headphones, so you not being able to demo what you are buying really sucks......
 
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Big Gorilla

Audioholic Intern
Its just that I don't think you will like the sound of the towers making the bass and the subs producing the same sound.. I tried this and ended up crossing the bass out of my towers to clean it up, plus this leaves more power for the highs, let the subs do what they are made to do, make the bass.. And IMO, you want a fast sealed musical sub, if you get an HT designed sub, you will be missing out, them HSU's I linked you to are very musical and powerful...

The SVS towers are most likely going to be very nice, its just I think you can do better for the money with what you are trying to accomplish. Since they are not really loose yet, its hard to get real world opinions on them, and I picture them in a stand alone 2.0 or a H.T system in a pretty large room...
Either way you are working on one heck of a system for sure, but when I built my system I tried so many other I was almost going to give up and get a nice set of headphones, so you not being able to demo what you are buying really sucks......
I did consider this but I figured the extra bass couldn't hurt as long as it was configured correctly. I can get a pair of PSB Image T6s for slightly cheaper than the svs ultra towers. My choice is a bit more limited as I am in Australia. Just from what I have heard about the svs towers is that they are pretty incredible and blow away a lot of the speakers in that similar $2000 price range.
 
ImcLoud

ImcLoud

Audioholic Ninja
I did consider this but I figured the extra bass couldn't hurt as long as it was configured correctly. I can get a pair of PSB Image T6s for slightly cheaper than the svs ultra towers. My choice is a bit more limited as I am in Australia. Just from what I have heard about the svs towers is that they are pretty incredible and blow away a lot of the speakers in that similar $2000 price range.
I guess what I'm trying to get at is, the svs ultras would make a great choice for a 2.0 system, but is kind of unnecessary and may complicate things when adding subs for music system... When I was building my 2.2 here is what I found, the towers when played full range uncrossed sounded good by themselves, then when I added the sub, there was more bass, but it didn't sound as clear and there was obviously something wrong about the sound... So I took the subs away and the sound cleaned up, then I tried lowering the subs crossover to its lowest setting, this helped, but also almost cut the subs duty down to nothing.. Then after advice from this board, I crossed the towers at 80 and pulled the sub in at 75, this made a huge difference, what happened was really noticable, first the towers amplifier was hardly working {since its not making power for the lows} which I think contributed to making it much more airy and to add to it the bass was instantly cleaned up, honestly no matter where I put the subs the bass seems to melt together with the towers seemlessly. I have since tweaked the crossovers and made some placement changes for what I feel is as good as it gets... Now here's the thing, them ultras are made to have great bass, my only concern is that by adding dual subs you are going to have to cross out that bass Pthat you are paying for} to make it sound good, so why not spend that money on a speaker made for 80+hz, and then get some musical sealed subs to handle the sub80 material???

IMO, you can get some powerful bookshelf speakers and some decent subs and get better sound than towers and subs, I had evo10 bookshelfs running in my 2.2 for a couple days while I was trying them out and it sounded great {I kept the towers because the bookshelfs are for my 3.1 ht system, but it sounded just as good if not better}... Ill bet a pair of sierra1 bookshelfs with either 2-xpa100's or a single xpa2 and a pair of hsu ULS15's will cost you half the money and sound better... Now Im not sure how shipping would work but, I would imagine it is doable...

PS-Im not saying you won't be happy with the Ultras, just not a huge amount of people around that heard them, and if you are really set on them, I would call svs and see which sub they recommend them with buy one of theirs that they already tested them with... May get better results... Also, you may like how they sound left alone uncrossed, my brother crossed his towers and then changed them back, he said he likes the sound of all the bass together, but I don't...
 
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Big Gorilla

Audioholic Intern
I guess what I'm trying to get at is, the svs ultras would make a great choice for a 2.0 system, but is kind of unnecessary and may complicate things when adding subs for music system... When I was building my 2.2 here is what I found, the towers when played full range uncrossed sounded good by themselves, then when I added the sub, there was more bass, but it didn't sound as clear and there was obviously something wrong about the sound... So I took the subs away and the sound cleaned up, then I tried lowering the subs crossover to its lowest setting, this helped, but also almost cut the subs duty down to nothing.. Then after advice from this board, I crossed the towers at 80 and pulled the sub in at 75, this made a huge difference, what happened was really noticable, first the towers amplifier was hardly working {since its not making power for the lows} which I think contributed to making it much more airy and to add to it the bass was instantly cleaned up, honestly no matter where I put the subs the bass seems to melt together with the towers seemlessly. I have since tweaked the crossovers and made some placement changes for what I feel is as good as it gets... Now here's the thing, them ultras are made to have great bass, my only concern is that by adding dual subs you are going to have to cross out that bass Pthat you are paying for} to make it sound good, so why not spend that money on a speaker made for 80+hz, and then get some musical sealed subs to handle the sub80 material???

IMO, you can get some powerful bookshelf speakers and some decent subs and get better sound than towers and subs, I had evo10 bookshelfs running in my 2.2 for a couple days while I was trying them out and it sounded great {I kept the towers because the bookshelfs are for my 3.1 ht system, but it sounded just as good if not better}... Ill bet a pair of sierra1 bookshelfs with either 2-xpa100's or a single xpa2 and a pair of hsu ULS15's will cost you half the money and sound better... Now Im not sure how shipping would work but, I would imagine it is doable...

PS-Im not saying you won't be happy with the Ultras, just not a huge amount of people around that heard them, and if you are really set on them, I would call svs and see which sub they recommend them with buy one of theirs that they already tested them with... May get better results... Also, you may like how they sound left alone uncrossed, my brother crossed his towers and then changed them back, he said he likes the sound of all the bass together, but I don't...
It does make sense that the towers would handle the highs and let the sub handle the lows. It was something I had wondered about, whether the bass from the svs towers would clash with the sub. There isn't much choice where I live (regional Australia) but there is a store that sells psb and I could get some psb image t6s for about the same price and I wouldn't have to pay shipping.
 
GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

Audioholic Warlord
If you like to listen to your music loud, I agree with ImcLoud, in that it would be best to cross over your mains with the subs. You'll get a better integration between the two and perhaps more importantly to you, take some load off the mains. This might allow you to eke a few more SPLs out of them. I differ with ImcLoud in that for you, I'd stick with towers for mains. They'll be able to play louder than bookshelf speakers. Of course, that's comparing towers and bookshelves from within the same model line.

Just be aware, with a XDA-2, you'll have to cross over your mains and subs through the sub's speaker-level connections, as the XDA-2 does not have its own crossover.
 
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Big Gorilla

Audioholic Intern
Thanks guys. I think I may just go the receiver route rather than the emotiva gear. I also think your advice about crossing the speakers over is the best way to go is for the best, so now I need to find the best speakers around the $2000 mark. I am still keen on the towers though rather than the bookshelves. Best speakers for around $2000 and best receiver for around $1500 anyone? lol
 
GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

Audioholic Warlord
Thanks guys. I think I may just go the receiver route rather than the emotiva gear. I also think your advice about crossing the speakers over is the best way to go is for the best, so now I need to find the best speakers around the $2000 mark. I am still keen on the towers though rather than the bookshelves. Best speakers for around $2000 and best receiver for around $1500 anyone? lol
That's where you'll have to get out to your audio dealers and listen to some speakers. I have no idea what typical prices are in Australia. If you intend to stick with a 2-channel receiver, the HK3490 is a great bargain. If you want more power and features, the HK990 is quite impressive - has room correction EQ (like an AVR), adjustable subwoofer crossover and more power than the 3490. But, it's about $2000 in the US. Another option is the Anthem Inegrated 225. It has more power than the HK 990, but doesn't have the AM/FM tuner, built-in EQ, or subwoofer outputs. I don't know if you'll find a receiver or integrated amp that has the same power as a stand-alone like the XPA-2. Rest assured, that if you do find one, the price will be very high. If you want LOUD, you might want to look at Klipsch speakers. They tend to be more sensitive than most other brands, so need less power for a given SPL level.
 
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