Need help setting up my dream home theatre system

AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
You want him to be looking at two $1800 yamaha receivers, one not even plugged in, for symmetry, we know.
Hell, no.

He should get two Denon AVP-A1HDCI pre-pros: one on each side for symmetry.:D

But wait until this Fall when it gets the HDMI 1.4a & Audyssey XT32 upgrade.
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
Hell, no.

He should get two Denon AVP-A1HDCI pre-pros: one on each side for symmetry.:D

But wait until this Fall when it gets the HDMI 1.4a & Audyssey XT32 upgrade.
If we're waiting for anything high end, I'd be waiting for the new one from Lexicon.

I would get a Denon 4311 plus amps in the meantime, until Lexicon releases their new flagship processor.
 
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cpp

Audioholic Ninja
I don't see those on audioadvice's website. I thought they would show me everything I need to see.
that's what you get for having a thought. I didn't say they were on that site, your taking speakers for sums of money and I provided a few extra. Go ahead and think some more, your game is interesting.
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
that's what you get for having a thought. I didn't say they were on that site, your taking speakers for sums of money and I provided a few extra. Go ahead and think some more, your game is interesting.
I'm not following you at all.

Where did this conversation start from?

You said it's pointless to ask this on an internet forum, and someone should just go to a professional and let them pick everything for you and bring it to your house, and that a hi fi shop is able to source anything they want.

Then you named a shop, and then named some pricy high end speakers.

But if I went to that shop to let them choose for me from their selection, how would they choose to bring those speakers you named to my house, when they don't even carry them, and I've never heard of them before? Where's the link that suggests going to a shop and letting them take care of it will get you the best results possible. You named the speakers you think would get the best results possible, but that shop doesn't carry them, so what's the link that would inform me that maybe I should try to track them down, or request that the shop bring them in for me?

The internet.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
If we're waiting for anything high end, I'd be waiting for the new one from Lexicon.

I would get a Denon 4311 plus amps in the meantime, until Lexicon releases their new flagship processor.
What does the new Lexicon pre-pro have that others (Denon, Anthem, Cary Audio, Classe) do not have?
 
cpp

cpp

Audioholic Ninja
But if I went to that shop to let them choose for me from their selection, how would they choose to bring those speakers you named to my house, when they don't even carry them, and I've never heard of them before? Where's the link that suggests going to a shop and letting them take care of it will get you the best results possible. You named the speakers you think would get the best results possible, but that shop doesn't carry them, so what's the link that would inform me that maybe I should try to track them down, or request that the shop bring them in for me?
Again, read. "I didn't say they were on that site" . And its your assumption that I named speakers that would get the best possible results, never did say that. And speaking of naming speakers you laid out your names. And nothing wrong with those names, each are great speakers.
 
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akshay

Audioholic Intern
Lots of misconceptions going about

There are a few doubts people have about me which have led into a friendly argument so want to make a few things clear.

1) The reason i chose an 1800$ receiver was because of my unawareness then. I have said i realize my mistake then and say that again in this post. So you can say that this forum is the starting point of my research to get an idea of what is available in the market and how can i utilize those to my needs.

2) People have been getting misconceptions that i am adamant on spending 7 million. hell no!!!! I just wanted to say that if i have to spend that much, i am willing to spend for no compromise in quality. If you think even 50000$ is enough then fine, i'll invest the rest of the money elsewhere. Besides if i had not mentioned that kind of amount i would never have got the recommendations i have received. And after researching on the price i have found out that perhaps even 2-3 million are more than sufficient for my needs. Look i am not greedy or do not want to show off to anyone. Will mention this again. Just want great audio and video with no compromise on quality. Which means i want the best that smart money can buy.Not anything bling. Once again QUALITY NOT QUANTITY OR LOOKS.

Now which brings me to my new question set

1) In what manner is a DSP different from an amplifier?.Do I need to buy a separate DSP?

2)I read DSP's reduce the burden of the center speaker by distributing the signal to the floor standing speakers. Is this good or bad?

3) Do i need to buy ADC's AND DAC's ?. Frankly speaking i don not know what content will be analog or digital when it comes to music/movies/games Since i will be connecting everything through HDMI
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
1) The reason i chose an 1800$ receiver was because of my unawareness then. I have said i realize my mistake then and say that again in this post. So you can say that this forum is the starting point of my research to get an idea of what is available in the market and how can i utilize those to my needs.
It's not so much a "mistake" (in the sense of performance) as much as, hey, if you've got an awesome HT, we sort of expect pretty high end electronics, at least dedicated separates.

The best thing about separates is this:

If five years from now new technology comes out, you can get rid of the processor and get a new processor. There will be no concern over whether the new receiver's amps can effectively drive your speakers to full dynamics - you can use the same amps you bought 5, 10, 20, 25 years ago! The build quality of good dedicated amps, like Parasound, Bryston, ATI, SeymourAV, Face Audio, Crest, Marathon, and Marantz Reference Series means that they'll last you a hell of a long time. My personal choice for amps is Hypex - it's sort of my "justification" because it's at least class D, so even if it sounds only as good as anything else, it's more efficient. Engineering to its finest. I think you can get some commercial hypex amps a few places, I'd look into it.

But that doesn't mean you'd be putting together a bad system if you bought the RX-A3000. In the review Clint drove his ridiculously tough to drive RBH speakers with it and didn't have any problems.

But it wouldn't be any fun if you bought it, becuase it's ordinary, and your budget is extraordanary!

2) People have been getting misconceptions that i am adamant on spending 7 million. hell no!!!! I just wanted to say that if i have to spend that much, i am willing to spend for no compromise in quality. If you think even 50000$ is enough then fine, i'll invest the rest of the money elsewhere. Besides if i had not mentioned that kind of amount i would never have got the recommendations i have received. And after researching on the price i have found out that perhaps even 2-3 million are more than sufficient for my needs. Look i am not greedy or do not want to show off to anyone. Will mention this again. Just want great audio and video with no compromise on quality.

Which means i want the best that smart money can buy.Not anything bling. Once again QUALITY NOT QUANTITY OR LOOKS.
That's cool and all, for a home theater.

But the rest of us here, we like the idea of having speakers in every room :D :eek:

Unlimited dynamics with compression drivers and prosound woofers in the dedicated HT, with THX style acoustics, like the Geddes, TAD, JBL Synthesis, or Danley speakers.

No compromise DIY omni stereo speakers in the dedicated binaural listening room, with live acoustics.

High end studio monitors in the den like three JBL 6328s and two JBL 6326 surrounds and three Rythmik F12s.

Some gorgeous, shiny, attractive dynamic dipoles 6 feet out into the family room like the Nao Note.

Some gorgeous slim tower speakers next to the TV in the living room, like the TAD or Revel or Salk. Actually I want like four living rooms, just to put speakers in.

Soffit mounted bookshelves in the bedrooms, like the Vapor Cirrus.

8 foot tall electrostats in the Master Bedroom like the Magnepan 3.7, hooked up to my alarm clock.

Every room should have good sound, because who wants not so good sound?

:D

1) In what manner is a DSP different from an amplifier?.Do I need to buy a separate DSP?
DSP means digital signal processing. Don't concern yourself too much with it, Most of the time it's not a relevant feature in electronics.

Some of us do like DSP-designed speakers like the Focal SM11, Seaton Catalyst, and Genelec 8260A however. DSP speakers use DSP to have flat frequency response. I'm a big fan of DSP in loudspeaker design, especially if it means high order FIR filters.

2)I read DSP's reduce the burden of the center speaker by distributing the signal to the floor standing speakers. Is this good or bad?
I think what you're thinking of is the opposite.

DSPs are often used to derive a pseudo center channel signal out of a stereo signal, not the other way around.

That is, if a pair of speakers has a signal that is centered between them, it is redirected to the center.

Again, I don't worry a lot about DSP. It's not a fundamental, and when I was on my grade 8 basketball team, I was taught to focus on fundamentals first, not my sick crossover.

Alternatively, DSP can be used to derive a phantom stereo center if your center speaker is not up to par - basically redirecting the center channel to the center location of stereo channels . I do this.

A good setup should have three identical speakers, not a poor center channel, so I wouldn't put too much thought into derived centers or phantom centers - just use the recording as it is. All processors have DSP modes built in that you can play with - nothing to buy separately.

3) Do i need to buy ADC's AND DAC's ?. Frankly speaking i don not know what content will be analog or digital when it comes to music/movies/games Since i will be connecting everything through HDMI
All processors have internal DACs, and ADCs as well where necessary. It's not an issue.

Some people claim that different, or even external DACs "sound better" but that's just silly, irrational, uneducated B.S. - all modern DACs are very advanced and do nothing to the signal of note - this is all happening on the electrical level. They're ALL mass produced chips made from the same three or four companies. As a general rule, what happens on the electrical level is beyond negligible - don't forget how much the recording went through electrical components like ADCs, DACs, and opamps already. Your main goal is to have plenty of pre-out voltage so you're not clipping, plenty of amplifier voltage and current and low distortion.

It's when electricity becomes real sound waves, that issues arise.

One thing you'll find in audio circles, is a TON of "imagination". You have to have your guard up.
 
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AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Take a picture of your room and show us. That way we can see what we are dealing with here.

Every room is different.

So we need to see an actual picture of your room before going any further.:D
 
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Beatmatcher247

Full Audioholic
When you're hiring a really high-caliber custom installer, get some references, and inspect some of their work personally to see if that's the kind of quality of work that you are looking for before you get to deep into it. See if they have a general contractor and electrical contractor (For floorboxes, conduits etc..) lined up that they like to use on their projects. If not, start looking for those contractors as well.

I think if it were me if I was going for the absolute best of everything, I'd still have a hard time spending even $1 million getting all of my dream equipment installed setup and installed for a theater room, dancing room (complete with liquid dance floor, EQ light panels, high end lasers, etc...(, a music listening room, and an awesome outdoor setup for the patio.

Let them know you want the best of the best but don't give them an any number of $million figure to shoot for or they'll be sure to spend it for you :).

I have found less than honest dealers out there that will full MSRP you and then some to reach your target budget. I'm glad I found the forums and got hooked up with a really honest guy, intheindustry (Fellow audioholics member), who got me my dream-speakers for less than I would have ever even imagined possible. He even helped teach me how to negotiate with people for the products that he couldn't get his hands on.

I'd maybe even go the route of getting all of the gear and seeing if you can have someone install it for you. As an electrical contractor, we do a lot of work like that for people. We do mostly heavy industrial and commercial, but often power plants will supply their own transformers and some of their own switchgear, but the occasional residential home we do, we let them select the light fixtures of their choosing and allow them to purchase them on our account from one of our suppliers because its impossible to say what they may like. It saves a lot of time and headaches with trying to find them something they like. This way we both parties can be sure they approve.

Do make sure that the integrator you plan to use would be ok with this before you start buying equipment yourself.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
As much as I love HT gears, you won't see me lifting my pretty little fingers if I had a $7 million budget.:eek:

"Hey, buddy, move that 2KW MAC amp 1" to the left there, will ya? No wait, move it back just a hair. There you go.":D
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
I would. I wouldn't want to get out of shape.

In fact, I would replace the seats with silent treadmills or excersize bikes so the family stays in shape.

You have to jog through the movie or you're not allowed to see the ending :eek:
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I would. I wouldn't want to get out of shape.

In fact, I would replace the seats with silent treadmills or excersize bikes so the family stays in shape.

You have to jog through the movie or you're not allowed to see the ending :eek:
Funny thing is, I had to lift some weights to get ready for my ATI AT3005 amps.

Same thing when I got the Salon2s.

I was really disapointed when I got the Orions. They only weigh like 60lbs each. You think S. Linkwitz is a wuss, maybe? Good golly. 60lb speakers!:rolleyes:

No, but seriously, though, treadmills or bikes inside the HT room?

Cheezy, much?

Are you kidding?

You know my next house will have an indoor running track. I will have ceiling speakers from Bose. Sorry, I mean, Revel celing speakers. But indoor running tracks. I don't want to be a fatty from watching movies in the HT room. Gotta keep in shape like you say.:eek:
 
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akshay

Audioholic Intern
I would. I wouldn't want to get out of shape.

In fact, I would replace the seats with silent treadmills or excersize bikes so the family stays in shape.

You have to jog through the movie or you're not allowed to see the ending :eek:
geez man bikes or treadmills.... LOL & ROFL. If it comes to the health of my family i would sponsor for a gym membership for everyone and make sure that they hit the gym everyday.
 
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akshay

Audioholic Intern
Ok guys here we go . the question set for today (please do not hate me )

1) According to my bookish knowledge the average adult human hearing capability is from 20Hz to 20 KHz. Most loudspeakers give an output of highs much higher than mentioned above so highs are not an issue. But how important is it for the loudspeaker to produce levels as close to 20hz? I know that the subwoofers do this.

2) JBL synthesis does not have dedicated center speakers. So does this mean the audio signal intended for the center speaker otherwise would be in fact coming out of the loudspeakers. So won’t this hamper the sound quality.?(Too loud maybe). The reason I ask is I have always been taught that the dialogues are always meant to come out of the center speaker. I do not distrust JBL engineers the must have thought of something before designing a high ended product. But I do not understand the motive behind this design

3) TAD reference one gives the best range of frequency responses amongst all. But then how do I use them in a 7 ch home theater. they have no other speakers like the center or sub or surround?

4) All speakers except the subwoofers I guess require less than 1000W of output amplifier power (RMS). So will it be a good idea to keep the 2000W amplifier for every speaker or use that for 2 speakers combined.?

Well that’s it for the day, will be back with more
 

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