need help for home theatre system

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smooth2222

Junior Audioholic
looking to spend about 2000 bucks on a home theatre system. and i don't want bose cause they are junk.

surround sound system, and will be running all wires thru the ceiling/walls.

can someone recommend speakers and reciever.

front room is 16 x 16 with cathedral ceiling.



much appreciated
 
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smooth2222

Junior Audioholic
out of all the brands, what is the best bang for the buck for speakers, and reciever. budget can go higher than 2000 if highly recommend for next series.
 
Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
out of all the brands, what is the best bang for the buck for speakers, and reciever. budget can go higher than 2000 if highly recommend for next series.
There is no right answer to this question. Only more questions as your answer.

I'll start.

What is your expected use of the system, %HT/%music?
Do you mind buying used or is DIY an option?
Do you want surround sound right away or would you rather concentrate on a high quality music system that can be upgraded over time to home theater?
What are your listening preferences, loud/normal, classical/rap/hard rock, action/family movies?
What are you preferences for tone/sound, bass, etc.?
Do you prefer floorstanding, bookshelf, on wall speakers?
 
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smooth2222

Junior Audioholic
yes, been researching for a couple days. feel like my head is going to explode, why i'm here looking for suggestions and help.

music and movies.
want to buy brand new.
complete surround system home theatre. "which i assume i can get something good for 2000-2500
listening preferences. normal to loud. rap alternative rock, action family movies.
I like bass

prefer wall speakers, but will go with floorstands if quality is better.
 
Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
For starters, you want to consider how to divide the budget. I would suggest a receiver in the $4-500 range. I'd allow at least $6-700 for the subwoofer (per rap/alt rock, action movies). The rest should go to the front three speakers and a smaller portion for the surround speakers. Assuming that you also might need a source, a $300 Blu-Ray player should be fine for all your disc needs. If you need the player, reduce the sub and receiver budget a bit. Cables can be bought at monoprice.com and should not affect the budget all that much from that site.

Edit - Do you have local shops where you can go to audition speakers for yourself?
 
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smooth2222

Junior Audioholic
was looking at the paradigm speaker lines. there are so many too choose from.

been reading paradigm is one of the best bang for the buck. but not sure which set of speakers to buy as there are so many.

anyone interested in putting a set togethor for me? or any other brands you feel is better.

which reciever would you buy?

much appreciated.

p.s there are so many choices its mind boggling. lol
 
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smooth2222

Junior Audioholic
can someone help me, what is recommended system. 2000-2500

reciever and speakers.
 
GlocksRock

GlocksRock

Audioholic Spartan
Check out the SVS SBS-01 system with the PB-12 sub, and a nice Yamaha or Denon receiver, but not the newest yamaha receivers, something like a RX-V663 or RX-V863 would be perfect.
 
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Mtn. Steel

Junior Audioholic
I absolutely do not have the expertise or knowledge to build a system for you...no one can. I will tell you that I bought a HTIB against the advice of everyone here...stupid move. I have since sold it and am building my system one bit at a time. Started with a JVC 47" HDTV (because that what was important to me at the time), next the HTIB and gone!, Next I got a Velodyne 3750 sub (awesome BTW), then a Blue Ray and the Pioneer Elite 01. All of this played through crappy Panasonic speakers. I will be buying this month the Paradigm 7 or 9 monitors, the cc190 (I think it... is the bigger one) and two Paradigm ADP. TV=$1400, BR player=$250.00, Sub=$400.00, Receiver= $700 and the 5 speaker Paradigm+ $1600. You do the math. I love it...you may not...in fact you may hate it. Beauty is in the eye (or ear) of the beholder.
Just my two cents that may only be worth one! Make sure you love it before you buy it for sure! At least in the the case Digms.
 
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Robof83

Audioholic
Option 1
Aperion Audio:
2 Intimus 5B
1 Intimus 5C
2 Intimus 5BP
1 SVS PB12 - NSD

Total: $2057 = $440 for receiver. If you want to spend more on the receiver you could change the 5BPs to 4BPs and get an extra $300


Option 2
Axiom Audio:
2 M22 v2
1 VP150 v2
2 QS4 Surrounds
1 SVS SB12

Total: $1955 = $545 for receiver


Option 3
SVS:
1 STS-01 Enhanced Audiophile Package

Total: $1984 : $1739 with pre-order = $516 or $761 for receiver depending


Option 4
Ascend Acoustics:
4 CMT - 340 SE Main
1 CMT - 340 SE Center
1 SVS SB12

Total: $2083 = $417 for receiver


Option 5
The Speaker Company:
2 TST3
2 TSS - B surrounds
1 TC2
1 SVS PB12

Total: $2007
*Note with this system you have the floor standing tower speakers as mains. However, the center channel might be a little weak. On the other hand, you get an awesome sub-woofer.


The great thing about these first 4 options is that they are all internet direct sellers. Because they don't have to spend money setting up demo shops/ paying people to work at those shops, they can generally(not always) provide better price/performance.

Another great thing about buying ID is that they all offer a free 30 day in home trial(shipping is covered both ways). You get to try the speakers in your own home so you know exactly how they will sound. Also, you could have them delivered all around the same time so you could do side by side comparisons.


If you don't want to go ID, here are some other options.


Option 5
Paradigm:
2 Mini Monitors
2 ADP 190
1 cc190
1 SVS SB12

Total: $1877 = $623 for receiver

Option 6
Infinity:
2 Primus 362 Floor Standers
2 Primus 152 Book Shelf
1 PC350 Center
1 SVS PB13 Ultra

Total = $2160 = $340 for receiver
*Note you only get 340 for receiver but you get one of the best Subs for any price.


Option 7
Kef
2 iQ 30 bookshelf
2 iQ 10 bookshelf
1 iQ 60c center
1 SVS PB12-NSD

Total: $2078
 
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smooth2222

Junior Audioholic
wow, what great posts, so out of the 7 options which one would you buy? lol
 
the grunt

the grunt

Audioholic
I would make two modifications to Robof83’s Option 2 above if feasible for you. First switch the VP150 for another M22 if you can fit it below or above your screen, it costs less and gives you three matching front speakers. . Second (I may be wrong) but I think the price he lists is normal MSRP, I would buy factory outlet saving an additional 10%. I’ve bought all my Axiom speakers from the outlet and there was absolutely nothing wrong with any of them. The factory outlet cost for 3 M22s and 2 QS4s would be 970.90 USD shipped.

Now of the options above this would be my pick but that doesn’t mean you will like them. Your best bet is to go out and listen to speakers and note what you like and dislike about them. That might help people offer suggestions as to what might also sound similar to you. And if at all possible arrange for an in home demo so you can hear what they sound like in your own room.

A few general suggestions. Unless you must use them I’d stay away from in/on wall speakers. Enclosure size, proximity to the wall, and difficulty in fine tuning their positioning will compromise their sound quality compared to bookshelf/floor standing speakers.

If at all possible get 3 identical speakers across the front. For the same reason you don’t see people using different left/right stereo speakers you should also try to use an identical center speaker.

Unless you really prefer floor standing speakers for two channel listening, bookshelf speakers and a subwoofer will give you more for your money. They can often sound better even for music because you can position the bookshelf speakers for best imaging and the subwoofer for best bass response two things that can be sometimes be difficult to achieve simultaneously with floor standing speakers.

Also going with bookshelf speakers now doesn’t have to lock you into them forever. If you choose a manufacture that has (many do) bookshelf/floor standing speakers that are well timbre matched you could always upgrade your mains later to floor standing speakers while simultaneously upgrading your whole system to 7.1 by using the previous bookshelf mains as your surround back speakers.

Some ID manufactures have forums where you might be able to arrange a demo with an existing owner. Here is Axiom's

A couple of other brands to consider would be Aperion which doesn’t charge you to ship them back if you don’t like them. Also Emotiva which has been getting some positive comments and seems very reasonably priced for the quality.

I can’t recommend any particular receiver (haven’t been looking lately). But one thing to consider if you’re willing to forgo a full warranty is a factory refurbished receiver. I got my factory refurbished $1,100 Denon for $850 three years ago and it’s still going strong. Something to consider if it makes the difference in getting a feature you really want.

Hope I’ve helped rather than worsened the dilemma. In the end we could all tell you what our best system at a given price point would be but you are the one who’s going to have to listen to it.

Cheers,
Dean
 
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Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
wow, what great posts, so out of the 7 options which one would you buy? lol
I don't think that anybody here will simply tell you what to buy, if that's what you're looking for. As you mentioned, there are a gazillion options in the market for speakers. Speakers are quite often so different from one another, preferences so different for different people and expectations so variable that it's likely that speakers that please some poster here will not be a good choice for you.

It is incumbent upon you to go out to some stores and listen to some speakers or at the very least, to define your preferences and expectations of what you are looking for in a set of speakers. If you just want to pick some random set of speakers based on some anonymous recommendation online, you are setting yourself up for a potentially unpleasant experience and a total waste of your money. Most members here realize this and that's why there's such a hesitancy to simply say "buy this". We need a common frame of reference to guide you towards choices that will be right for you, i.e. you like "x" brand of speaker but want more bass, or you like "y" brand of speaker but they are too expensive and you want a less expensive alternative that keeps those qualities you like.
 
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fredk

Audioholic General
You are getting lots of good advice so far. Here are some things I would add.

1. Take your time. As you listen and read, things will start to make more sense.
2. Speakers make the biggest difference to sound. Concentrate on getting the right speakers and then work on the rest of the system.
3. Go forth and listen. Listen to stuff over a range of prices
4. Come back here and tell us what you like. With some idea of your taste, we can probably find alternatives to look at.

As an example of #3, find a Paradigm dealer and listen to several different models to get some idea of how the sound of speakers can vary. You will probably find that you prefer one model over another.

PSB is another in store brand that has a bang for buck reputation.
 
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Robof83

Audioholic
wow, what great posts, so out of the 7 options which one would you buy? lol
If I were you I would try to find a dealer near me and go hear some of the non internet direct speakers I mentioned, but I wouldn't buy anything at that point.

Then I would go home and abuse the free 30 day trials of the Internet direct companies. I would for example try to get 2 Aperion Intimus 5Bs, 2 Axiom M22s, 2 Ascend CMT SE Main, and 2 The Speaker Company TST3 all delivered to my house around the same time. If thats not possible, I would try to get as many of them as I could. I would then spend a those 30 days determining which of the speakers I like best.

From there, just send the other ones back and complete the set of the speaker you liked best.

Also, The Grunt did make a great suggestion. Really, his suggestion can be applied to any of the options. Center speakers are usually more expensive and generally don't sound as good as their LR counterparts. The reason so many people use them is because they are easier to place in the center because they lie on their side. If that's not a problem for you I would get three LR speakers and forgo the center.
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

Banned
Paradigm speakers + Onkyo or Marantz receiver.

can someone help me, what is recommended system 2000-2500 reciever and speakers.
All right, here's my best shot. Take life in the simple way, get some Paradigm speakers and sub, and get an Onkyo or Marantz A/V receiver. :)

Example of Paradigm speaker's models in your price range (you do have to consider the street price though).
#1.* See if you can get a deal somewhere on five Paradigm Reference Studio 20 speakers. Add a Paradigm DSP-3400 subwoofer to these. (Or you can pick an SVS sub like the SVS PB12-NSD, for $569.)
* For the receiver, check if you can get your hands on an Onkyo TX-SR805 refurb
or used A/V receiver (between $400 & $600).

#2. * For less money, check for a quintuplet or seven Paradigm Mini Monitor speakers, and add a Paradigm DSP-3100 subwoofer to these. (Or you can pick an SVS sub like the SVS PB10-NSD, for $429.)
* For the receiver, check for a Certified refurb Marantz receiver, like the Marantz SR6001 (only $349.99, at 71% off from accessories 4 less).
Here: http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/MARSR6001/Marantz/SR6001-receiver-100w-x-7ch-HDMI-home-theater-surround/1.html

>>> That would be a very good place to start. :)

Cheers,

Bob

Note: You still have a full year warranty on Onkyo and Marantz refurb receivers.
-> And if you shop carefully at the right places, you'll be within range of your budget.
 
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