NAD C715 and TEAC CR-H227i-B Same thing??

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fmw

Audioholic Ninja
You're probably right. Even if they aren't identical, at least they are probably made in the same factory.
 
nordhaven

nordhaven

Junior Audioholic
The TEAC sells for $300 and the NAD is going for $500. Not a great price for 20 watts and 1 bit D/A player!
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
They are supposed to be 25 watts per channel. They are the same thing. I have the CR-H220 which uses the same base amplifier and components as the newer CR-H227. I enjoy using my Teac very much. It is being used to power some Boston Acoustics HD10s right now. I can power them into oblivion with that little CD receiver. Check out the link in my signature for more about this great Teac unit.:)
 
J

Joe Schmoe

Audioholic Ninja
It is also the same thing as the Onkyo CR-315, which I just picked up as an open-box for $200, including speakers. I gave the speakers to a neighbor, and hooked up my Athena F1s (which have 91dB sensitivity and a reasonably well-behaved impedance curve.) It turns out that a volume setting of 25 or 26 out of 42 is plenty in my room, and I am very impressed with the sound quality. It actually sounds better than my Carver in some ways (bass is not quite as powerful, but is more tightly controlled. Imaging seems wider, suggesting better channel separation. The overall impression is very clean, detailed, and "airy".)
I love the look of a tiny box driving huge speakers.:cool:
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Joe Schmoe said:
It is also the same thing as the Onkyo CR-315, which I just picked up as an open-box for $200, including speakers. I gave the speakers to a neighbor, and hooked up my Athena F1s (which have 91dB sensitivity and a reasonably well-behaved impedance curve.) It turns out that a volume setting of 25 or 26 out of 42 is plenty in my room, and I am very impressed with the sound quality. It actually sounds better than my Carver in some ways (bass is not quite as powerful, but is more tightly controlled. Imaging seems wider, suggesting better channel separation. The overall impression is very clean, detailed, and "airy".)
I love the look of a tiny box driving huge speakers.:cool:
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LOL, the Onkyo is not the same as the Teac.:D

I looked into that myself, the Onkyo appears to be an Onkyo inside and out. The entire layout of Onkyo's machines are different. They are every bit as excellent as the Teac though.
 
J

Joe Schmoe

Audioholic Ninja
Seth=L said:
LOL, the Onkyo is not the same as the Teac.:D

I looked into that myself, the Onkyo appears to be an Onkyo inside and out. The entire layout of Onkyo's machines are different. They are every bit as excellent as the Teac though.
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It is exactly the same dimensions, weight, and specs as the NAD and TEAC units, with a very similar front-panel layout. It does claim "WRAT" and "discrete amplifier circuitry" which would seem unique, but NAD claims proprietary tech also.
Anyway, the price was right and I enjoy the combination of looks/sound.
(Note: I have also ordered a Carver CDP that matches my amp. When I get it, it will be interesting to A/B that combo and the Onk. The loser will be sold.)
 
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Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Joe Schmoe said:
It is exactly the same dimensions, weight, and specs as the NAD and TEAC units, with a very similar front-panel layout. It does claim "WRAT" and "discrete amplifier circuitry" which would seem unique, but NAD claims proprietary tech also.
Anyway, the price was right and I enjoy the combination of looks/sound.
(Note: I have also ordered a Carver CDP that matches my amp. When I get it, it will be interesting to A/B that combo and the Onk. The loser will be sold.)
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They are very similar in size and features, because they are directly competitive. Europe is their biggest market. Teac, Denon, and Onkyo all run neck and neck in the top end of the executive micro system market over there.

The NAD and Teac are the same, the insides are exactly the same. The internals of the Onkyo's are completely different. They use discrete amplification, the Teac uses an integrated circuit for output (saves space and is more efficient, not necessarily better or worse). The internal layout is also completely different. The Onkyo would be a nightmare to work on, it has tons of ribbon cables going every which way. The Teac or NAD have more breathing room inside with a very clean layout.

I am glad you are enjoying the Onkyo. Is the CD player noisy at all?
 
J

Joe Schmoe

Audioholic Ninja
Seth=L said:
I am glad you are enjoying the Onkyo. Is the CD player noisy at all?
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Not that I have noticed, except while loading. I have to walk over and put my ear next to it to hear any noise during playback. The drawer seems pretty robust for this type of unit, also. (I am starting to be very curious about their top executive system, since this one is the cheapest.)
 
J

Joe Schmoe

Audioholic Ninja
Strike that last comment. I checked the specs on their top-line unit, and it is no better than the 315 except for having a changer.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Joe Schmoe said:
Strike that last comment. I checked the specs on their top-line unit, and it is no better than the 315 except for having a changer.
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Yeah, I wouldn't get to excited about the top end model. Multi-disc changers in micro executive systems have high failure rates, they tend to develop mechanical problems.
 
nordhaven

nordhaven

Junior Audioholic
All three of these have the 1 bit DAC right? Joe, do you "feel" like it has more then the stated power? I would like to get one just to try out. I suppose the TEAC could be had for the least money?
 
J

Joe Schmoe

Audioholic Ninja
nordhaven said:
All three of these have the 1 bit DAC right? Joe, do you "feel" like it has more then the stated power? I would like to get one just to try out. I suppose the TEAC could be had for the least money?
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Since I was coming from a 100 watt/ch amp, I thought that lack of power might be an issue. I was wrong. In my room, there is not only sufficient power, but plenty of headroom. The Onkyo is also 4 Ohm stable.
I decided to try it with my Mirages, which are less efficient than the Athenas. I only had to raise the volume from 25 to 27, which is still less than 2/3 of max. (It turns out that the amazing little Onk also extracts more bass from the Mirages than the beefy Carver, which eliminates their one minor weakness and makes them my favorites.)
I highly recommend trying one of these. The TEAC is available for $300, and the Onyo for slightly over $300 with speakers included.
I can't get over how totally cool the little box looks in my room, or how powerful it it sounds.
 
J

Joe Schmoe

Audioholic Ninja
The TEAC micro components do exude serious cool factor. Unfortunately, while the receiver is available in the US, the integrated amp is not.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Joe Schmoe said:
The TEAC micro components do exude serious cool factor. Unfortunately, while the receiver is available in the US, the integrated amp is not.
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You can get lucky and get on Ebay now and again. They show up quite often.:)
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Joe Schmoe said:
There is also a Denon that comes with speakers that look for all the world like Mordaunt-Shorts.
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Yep, Denon used to have Mission making their speakers for their systems. Maybe they moved to Mordaunt-Short.:)
 
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