My Tower Speaker Audition...

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smitty78

Audioholic Intern
Before I begin, note that I haven't had the opportunity to audition quality speakers until now....so I may not be the best judge in what makes a great sounding speaker. I live a good hour away from any audio specialty shops but earlier today, I made the drive and was glad that I did. I enjoyed it and learned a little in the process. I mananged to find two stores that carried quality music and HT speakers. Both stores had great employees and were very patient with me and my wife. I must of ran that poor boy all over the place switching from speaker to speaker and song to song...haha.

The speakers I auditioned were all under $1500 (with the exception of a few others just for fun). I was only trying out L+R Floorstanding sets, mainly cd's from various artists. The speakers I tried were Klipsch RF 62, Def Tech B7006 and the Monitor Audio RS-6. The receiver was an upper end Denon that had some 100+ wpc. I don't remember the exact model number.

I went big and bassy right off the top with Metallica (..And Justice for All). I played the song "One" on the MA RS-6's. They sounded very good but a bit reserved...especially in the upper mids to high's. I have heard folks mention the brightness of these speakers but I personally didn't hear that. Of course, I have been listening to my Klipsch's in the bedroom alot lately, so that could explain that. I noticed they had great bass with a clean sound that seemed very realistic and responsive. I felt as if the kick pedal bass drum was in the room with me. The vocals were clean...for James Hetfield anyways..lol. I then played some "Stairway to Heaven" by Led Zepplin. This speaker sounded very full and emotional even, leaving me wanting to try more. The instruments really came to life with these speakers. I then played some Pink Floyd songs from Dark Side of the Moon. I was equally impressed. Overall, I was impressed with these speakers. They were compact at a height just over 33" tall. They were very well made and had a beautiful wood finish. (The wife's emphasis...mainly :rolleyes:). I would say a good everyday speaker that you could listen to for hours at a time. They were very pleasant and soothing to my ears. A definate thumbs up for the Monitor RS-6's. If they only had the RS-8's I could compare them to, that would have been great (especially since a member of this forum has a set of RS-8's for sale as we speak). :p

Next up was the Klipsch RF 62's. They definately had the Klipsch brightness that you would expect but also very tight and responsive bass. I played the same song "One" and switched between those and the Monitor's. I also played some Zepplin stuff while switching from the MA's to the RF 62's. The Kilpsch had more detail in the upper mids to highs than the MA's. The bass was more powerful as well, maybe even too much at times but very clean nonetheless. They were much louder at the same volume levels, showing the efficiency of these speakers. They push out the power effortlessly. A very good speaker for heavy metal, but not sure if I would be able to listen to them for longer periods of time. They were loud and powerful and I could see them making a great speaker for parties in bigger areas, as they have so much power. I had the boy crank them up to the point where I thought I was going to be deaf and I never heard any distortion at all. I did like them, though. They are great speakers for those with the aquired taste for brightness.

Last of the group was the Definitive Technology B7006. I mention this one last because it was really nothing about this speaker I liked. The built in powered woofer just made things worse. It sounded very loose and sloppy with the bulit in woofer enabled. I couldn't see paying more for these than the other two which were cheaper in price. The midrange sounded like artificial and muddy. They remided me of Polks in that manner. Those fans of Def Tech, please take no offense as I am a newbie to the world of audio. They just sounded poor in my own ears. I even tried the upper end Def Tech with some Led Zepplin, Pink Floyd and some random Blues from the demo disc they had there. Nothing I played sounded good in those speakers. The boy that was helping us even agreed that the others sounded better in the music department. He mentioned that the Def Techs were better in Ht applications, but I wouldn't know as I didn't even bother with them for long.

I tried both the Klipsch and the MA's with a movie, "The Matrix Reloaded". Both speakers did an excellent job with sound effects. The bullet shells hitting the ground sounded very realistic with the Klipsch's but in certain action scenes, they were a bit overwhelming. Once again the MA's were my top choice as they had a more natural feel to them. They seemed to have a fullness even without the sub, but when the boy turned on the Def Tech cube sub...the movie really came to life. The Klipsch had great explosive action even without the sub but who watches movies without a sub these days? I think you could even go with a smaller sub with the RF 62 than with the RS-6's, IMO. The dialogue was a bit harsh with the Klipsch's and even using the reccomended center channel of Klipsch's...people's voices sounded a bit annoying...borderline shrilling even. I would personally use a smoother center speaker than the matched Klipsch center, but that's just me. The matching center for the MA RS-6 (whatever they call it) had a more earthy feel to it, sounding more like actual voices in the room. Again, thumbs up to the Monitor series in this aspect.

I wish I had more options around here for quality speakers but it was an interesting trip anyways. I had fun. :)

Oh, I did visit another store that mainly specialized in home theater setup, installs, etc. I was turned on to front projection on a 105" screen. He had "Ironman" playing on Blu-ray. Boy, was that an awesome experience!!! I would never go to a theater ever again if I had a setup like that!!! It was truly beautiful. It even gave me chill bumps! The speakers were Paradigm Signature S6's and they sound excellent. Unfortunately, I had nothing to compare them too but they were very clean and powerful in the 7.2 setup they had. They were way out of my price range anyways.

All in all I had a great experience and look forward to finding other places that carry different brands so I can try out some more speakers. Based on my limited experience so far, the Monitor Audio RS-6 were victorious.
 
adwilk

adwilk

Audioholic Ninja
Thanks for that review, and even though you put in the 'newbie' disclaimer, your findings aren't at all uncommon. Plus, its your ears that really only matter. Keep in mind that your room plays a big part in the speakers you pick. I've hated every DefTech speaker I've listened to in tame rooms, but my buddy has a pair in a fairly "bright" room and I really liked them.

Klipsch are the same way, the room plays a big part. I'm curious, though, which klipsch center did you listen to? The RC62 was a HUGE letdown to me, I would never consider it, it seemed to force out dialogue, but the RC64 is still one of my favorite center speakers at any reasonable price point. Based on your review, I'd imagine you heard the 62.

Also, If you get the chance to listen again, you might try the 63, albeit out of your price range, the 63 is head and shoulders above the 62. MUCH smoother response, I'd imagine due to crossover construction and the horn sounds much less overwhelming. Also, being a bit of a klipsch fanboy, and Not buying into speaker break in for the most part, I'm SURE(?) that I can tell a difference between the horns that have been played for a while. Who really knows for sure, right? But I do think so, so I'd wonder how long those floor models have been used...

Thanks again for the thought out review... good stuff, and congrats on the audition. Makes me wanna run out and bug the shops.
 
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smitty78

Audioholic Intern
I beleive it was the RC62 too. I imagine they tried to pair it up to the the series number, which doesn't always work.

You're right about the room's acoustics dramatically changing the sound. It was a bit different than my room. The floor was low plush carpet, almost like the fuzzy outdoor marine carpet. I have hardwood flooring with an area rug in the middle. The towers would have to actually sit on wood here, whereas they were spiked into capet in their demo room. They had ordinary drywalls with no kind of sound treatments (I actually asked, as I didn't know what may have been in between those otherwise ordinary walls).We have a few windows with drapery and random pictures and shelving, not to mention the coffee table. I'm sure all this will play a big role in acoustics.

My intial thinking was that my airy room would sound more hollow with sounds bouncing everywhere, that a warmer set of speakers would sound better. :confused: I could be wrong, I'm no expert in acoustics.lol Heck, even our sofa/love seats are made of durahide, which allows no absorbtion.

As far as the Kilpsch goes, they are a mighty fine set of speakers and the cheapest of all three compared. I wouldn't take anything away from them. The wife looked to cringe when the boy bumped the volume for guitar solos from Jimmy Page as it did get intense, but it didn't bother me as bad. I actually think Klipsch sounded much better in certain ranges and very detailed. If we were talking video, I would say they have the sharpest lines of all. The biggest dissapointment for me was the dialogue. The 62's could have been better paired for demo. WTF were they thinking? Maybe I should suggest to them to hook a 63 center next time. I'll tell them that they would sell twice as many speakers if you pair them right...."Now, knock off... let's say 20% for a package for this valuable info I just gave you!"

Well, with marriage there must be compromise. :rolleyes: She wants the walnut finish, so be it.:) I'll definately be bugging them again soon before I make any decisions. I never dive into purchases like these. I review, research and audition everything I can get my hands on before I spend the green..uh or should I say plastic? The wife can always be swayed as long as it's pretty. I wonder if she'll like the Salk Songtowers QWT's with the unlimited custom finish they can do? :D
 
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smitty78

Audioholic Intern
I almost forgot, the boy helping us said that all the speakers had been played heavily. I imagine they were all broken in good. The drivers seemed smooth while playing on the 62's. The Monitors seemed to have more bounce to them. The 62's looked solid with less movement but with very defined bass and plenty of thump. Maybe because of the metal cones?
 
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fredk

Audioholic General
Excellent! It sounds like you are on your way to finding the right speakers for yourself.

...They were much louder at the same volume levels, showing the efficiency of these speakers...
One thing about auditioning. If the two sets of speakers you are comparing are not level matched, the louder speaker will sound [relatively] better. The greater detail you heard in the Klipsch may well have been due to the difference in volume.

Sounds like the MA's were better all around anyway, but its something to keep in mind for the future.
 
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MatthewB.

Audioholic General
When it comes to Deftech, I find the overall problem with stores using them, is very improper setup. Bi-Polar speakers need to be properly positioned and you never get that in a store. The next problem is stores always set the speakers to large, with DefTechs you need to set them to small and have a crossover with a sub used. Now I know your gonna say "Matt, they have a built in sub" but I would look at that "sub" as a powered woofer and not a sub. I have the BP7001sc and have them crossed over at 40Hz to my SVS.

When I had them as large, the bass was very boomy and didnt sound "right" at all, but once I set them to small and crossed them over, the powered woofers tightened right up and the bass is now incredible out of my towers. I would never recommend any tower without an outboard sub. I was at a A/V GTG a few months back in Deleware where the owner had top of the line Dynaudio Towers (each tower had 3 8" woofers" and when set to large, it sounded okay, but when we crossed them at 60Hz those towers opened right up and sounded incredible when matched with his SVS PB13-Ultra.

I would suggest going back to demo those same speakers and making sure they are set to small and crossed over at a reasonable level and see what changes you notice, you may find a completely different perspective.
 
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smitty78

Audioholic Intern
If the two sets of speakers you are comparing are not level matched, the louder speaker will sound [relatively] better. The greater detail you heard in the Klipsch may well have been due to the difference in volume.

You make a very good point, I didn't consider that. The switching from speaker to speaker tended to put more focus on the Klipsch's details.

I'll definately make another trip and bring some different tunes the next time to audition. By being somewhat bias to the Monitors, it may cloud my judgement ...that's why I want to try the blind test next time too.
 
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smitty78

Audioholic Intern
When it comes to Deftech, I find the overall problem with stores using them, is very improper setup.
That probably was the case. I wondered how there could be so many Def Tech fans if all of them sounded like what I heard. :confused:


I would suggest going back to demo those same speakers and making sure they are set to small and crossed over at a reasonable level and see what changes you notice, you may find a completely different perspective.
I will definately do that. I didn't give them a fair shot to be honest. I thought they sounded cheap and overpriced like some other speakers *coughs* Blows, I mean Bose *coughs* lol
You would think these places would hire someone that knew how to properly set up a set of speakers...even if they dedicated an amp and receiver to just that set. :rolleyes: They were their highest price speaker under the Gold series monitors.

Thank you for the suggestions. Now I'm looking forward to going back in a few more days, if only to keep their salesman busy. :D They gotta work for that commision with me...lol
 
adwilk

adwilk

Audioholic Ninja
To be fair MatthewB, While I do agree with the setup you're referring to (SUB included) I don't think the speakers PERSONALLY belong in the same convo. They just didn't do it for me. Personal preference obviously.

SMITTY, I'm sure maybe you got model numbers mixed up in your reply, but its the RC64 and RF63 that really make the reference stuff from Klipsch shine. The RF62 and RC62 are WAY WAY down on the list in my book. Either way, I appreciate the review and the fact they were obviously played a bit before you heard them..
 
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smitty78

Audioholic Intern
^^ After reading your post, I decided to call the audio shop. I was told they had a RC 62 center channel hooked up for their demo. They didn't have anything else for demoing the Klipsch but they could order the RC 64 but it would be overkill with the RF 62 series, that the RC 64 pairs nicely with the bigger models.

They didn't carry the RF 63 model you metioned. Just the RF 62 and the RF 82. The RF 62 actually sounded better than the RF 82's, IMO. Too bad they didn't have the RF 63's or 83's. I bet they had some serious punch.
 
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fredk

Audioholic General
When I had them as large, the bass was very boomy and didnt sound "right" at all, but once I set them to small and crossed them over, the powered woofers tightened right up and the bass is now incredible out of my towers.
IMO bass should not be boomy in a 2.0 setup. On music with little or no content below 40Hz, I can't tell the difference between just my towers and the towers with a sub. Even on pipe organ material the towers sound good, just like soemthing is missing (which it is).
 
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MatthewB.

Audioholic General
To be fair MatthewB, While I do agree with the setup you're referring to (SUB included) I don't think the speakers PERSONALLY belong in the same convo. They just didn't do it for me. Personal preference obviously.

Adwilk, oh I totally agree, speakers are always personal preference, hence why when someone asks what I like in speakers, I always tell them to trust their own ears because those are the best indicators on what sounds great. I personally love my DefTechs in my setup, but can see how others don't like them. To me Klipsch are fatigueing (sp) after awhile so I'm not a fan of those, but can see how in certain rooms that they would be most beneficial.

I own a pair of AV123 Strata Minis (that Mazersteven got me a great deal on) that I absolutely love, in fact it was at Mazers where I first heard them and knew I had to have them and later when Mazer PM'd me and said they were for sale, I jumped on them, even after a buddy of mine whose opinion I respect reviewed them and said they were crap. i still bought them and enjoy them daily.

So always trust your ears, if somebody likes cheapie radio shack 5.00 speakers, i say more power to them, it's what they like. That's the great thing about this hobby is that over the years and many many GTG's over the United States, I have had the opputunity to demo many speakers, some great some not so great.
 
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hotroady

Enthusiast
^^ After reading your post, I decided to call the audio shop. I was told they had a RC 62 center channel hooked up for their demo. They didn't have anything else for demoing the Klipsch but they could order the RC 64 but it would be overkill with the RF 62 series, that the RC 64 pairs nicely with the bigger models.

They didn't carry the RF 63 model you metioned. Just the RF 62 and the RF 82. The RF 62 actually sounded better than the RF 82's, IMO. Too bad they didn't have the RF 63's or 83's. I bet they had some serious punch.
Better not listen to the RF83's. I did, made an offer on the demos (1/2 price). Well, they weren't going to carry them any longer..cuz expensive speakers weren't moving too well. Yeah, I got them at half price..I think they had price increase, since. Looks like they released the RF7's also..which would be a little less expensive.
 

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