My picks, we value your opinion. First time Home Theater setup :)

[NoRegrets78]

Ok, possible new plan.

Since I really really want those JTR speakers when we move, I'm thinking of dropping the budget a bit.

Still want the Denon 4311CI, that Audyssey XT32 looks too good.

Thinking now of maybe HSU VTF-15H for the sub and instead of floor standers, getting bookshelves on stands. My biggest problem is the Center has to be 19.75" or less. If that wasn't a problem I would have gone EMPTek or Ascend but their centers are too big.

Thoughts?

Thinking about:

Verus Grand Bookshelves
Verus Forte Center
Verus Forte Satellites (this is the verus grand bookshelf package without the sub).
HSU VTF-15H sub.

 

[NoRegrets78]

These are my 2 choices the way I see it, 4k budget.

1)
Denon AVR-4311ci
Aperion Grand Bookshelf Fronts
Aperion Forte Center
Aperion Forte Surrounds
HSU VTF 15H Sub


2)
Denon AVR-4311ci
Ascend Sierra-1 Fronts with stands
Ascend Sierra-1 Center
Ascend HTM-200SE Surrounds
HSU VTF 15H Sub.


Now, between those two, or another setup for 4k, what do you think? Keep in mind the center and rears are space sensitive. Center can't be more than 19 3/4" wide. Rears should be 6" wide or less.

 

[lsiberian]

These are my 2 choices the way I see it, 4k budget.

1)
Denon AVR-4311ci
Aperion Grand Bookshelf Fronts
Aperion Forte Center
Aperion Forte Surrounds
HSU VTF 15H Sub


2)
Denon AVR-4311ci
Ascend Sierra-1 Fronts with stands
Ascend Sierra-1 Center
Ascend HTM-200SE Surrounds
HSU VTF 15H Sub.


Now, between those two, or another setup for 4k, what do you think? Keep in mind the center and rears are space sensitive. Center can't be more than 19 3/4" wide. Rears should be 6" wide or less.

Either choice is excellent.

 

[shadyJ]

Either one ought to do fine. I'd go with the Ascends myself, but you could probably flip a coin here and be happy.

 

[NoRegrets78]

Crap. 3rd option:

Same receiver and sub, Denon, HSU.

Aperion 5T towers
Aperion 5C center
Aperion 4B surrounds (5B bookshelves are too big)

Was looking at the NRT upgrades for the Ascends and if they really need them that's another $450 on top of it for the fronts and center.

 

[ousooner2]

The Intimus line is below the Verus. Going the wrong way here lol

 

[NoRegrets78]

The Intimus line is below the Verus. Going the wrong way here lol

Maybe, but now I'm thinking I might be better off with the 5T towers instead of the VGBs. I'm going to have a little chat with aperion later.

 

[ousooner2]

I would go with an AVR that's half the price, but still retains MultEQ XT, pre-outs, same power basically, etc. 3312/3311, etc. Spend that extra $600 towards the speakers, room treatments (I think it was you that had hardwood floors), etc.

$600 just happens to be the exact difference between the VGB and the VGT lol. Well look at that!


AVR w/ XT32, pre-outs, etc + Aperion Intimus towers
AVR w/ XT, pre-outs, etc + Aperion VG towers

I'd think 99% of people would take option 2. I definitely would

 

[NoRegrets78]

I would go with an AVR that's half the price, but still retains MultEQ XT, pre-outs, same power basically, etc. 3312/3311, etc. Spend that extra $600 towards the speakers, room treatments (I think it was you that had hardwood floors), etc.

$600 just happens to be the exact difference between the VGB and the VGT lol. Well look at that!


AVR w/ XT32, pre-outs, etc + Aperion Intimus towers
AVR w/ XT, pre-outs, etc + Aperion VG towers

I'd think 99% of people would take option 2. I definitely would

Wouldn't be able to get the Grand center though. Won't fit in my cabinet

If I decide to save money on the receiver I'm probably going to keep the same speakers I listed as options and just save the extra money for when we move.

Floors are tile, this is in a sublevel room.

 

[lsiberian]

I know it's been said before, but if you want reference sound you can't put the couch on a wall. Finding a way to orient the room so the couch isn't on the wall will give more sound improvement then the difference between the Ascends and Aperions. Maybe you can move it out temporarily for movies and move it back for company situations.

Unfortunately this sort of discussion can lead to heated exchanges with the spouse. You might start with your goals and enlist that help in determining how to acheive that while keeping the nest looking nice.

 

[NoRegrets78]

I know it's been said before, but if you want reference sound you can't put the couch on a wall. Finding a way to orient the room so the couch isn't on the wall will give more sound improvement then the difference between the Ascends and Aperions. Maybe you can move it out temporarily for movies and move it back for company situations.

Unfortunately this sort of discussion can lead to heated exchanges with the spouse. You might start with your goals and enlist that help in determining how to acheive that while keeping the nest looking nice.

Unfortunately that is not possible as it would block a pocket door leading to the laundry room . I know the sound won't be perfect. This isn't the house that I'm going to strive for that in. Just want it to be as good as it can within my budget.

I have another member advising me on downgrading the Receiver as well to the 2313 or the 3313 and going with better speakers.

If that was the case I could probably easily do the Forte Towers, Center, and Satellites.

Trying to decide between the two now.

Aperion speakers are 6ohms.

The 2313 states:
Power Output Per Channel(20Hz-20kHz, 0.08%THD@8ohm) 105 Watts
Power Output Per Channel(1kHz, 0.7%THD@6ohm) 135 Watts

The 3313 states:
Power Output Per Channel(20Hz-20kHz, 0.08%THD@8ohm) 125 Watts (.05%THD)
Power Output Per Channel(1kHz, 0.7%THD@6ohm) 165 Watts

Both have MultEQ XT.

The power rating for the Aperion speakers does not exceed 150 Watts max (Forte Satellites).

The towers can take up to 300.

Based on that, which would you choose?

 

[ousooner2]

Unfortunately that is not possible as it would block a pocket door leading to the laundry room . I know the sound won't be perfect. This isn't the house that I'm going to strive for that in. Just want it to be as good as it can within my budget. I have another member advising me on downgrading the Receiver as well to the 2313 or the 3313 and going with better speakers. If that was the case I could probably easily do the Forte Towers, Center, and Satellites. Trying to decide between the two now. Aperion speakers are 6ohms. The 2313 states: Power Output Per Channel(20Hz-20kHz, 0.08%THD@8ohm) 105 Watts Power Output Per Channel(1kHz, 0.7%THD@6ohm) 135 Watts The 3313 states: Power Output Per Channel(20Hz-20kHz, 0.08%THD@8ohm) 125 Watts (.05%THD) Power Output Per Channel(1kHz, 0.7%THD@6ohm) 165 Watts Both have MultEQ XT. The power rating for the Aperion speakers does not exceed 150 Watts max (Forte Satellites). The towers can take up to 300. Based on that, which would you choose?

Every little bit helps, but the power difference between the 2 is basically negligible. Your budget allows for the 3312/3313 though so go for it

 

[lsiberian]

Speakers before receivers. I definitely recommend treatments behind the couch. It helps with boundary effects a lot.

 

[Irishman]

So, this is our first jump into serious home theater and I have picked the following to replace the Denon DHT-591BA HTIB we currently run.

Denon 4311ci receiver
Aperion Audio Verus Forte towers
Aperion Audio Verus Forte center
Aperion Audio Verus Forte bookshelves
SVS PB12-NSD sub

Layout is attached, ceiling is 6.4'. Floor is tile with an area rug. Room has 6" shelf on the back and left wall (looking at the drawing), that is built into the wall itself like this h.

Balance will be 75% movies/tv shows, 25% gaming with a lot of that Rock Band and other music games. And of course Halo 4 Shows like X-Factor, The Voice, Glee, Americas Got Talent, and a few dramas, action shows like The Following, Touch, Grey's Anatomy.

Total budget is around $4000. Just over if I have to (which with the above setup will be slightly over). Less is always better.


Thoughts?

I've looked into KEF, Ascend, Klipsh and EMP solutions. I think the Aperion setup is our best bet currently but I'm open to suggestions. Already been to AVSForum, got most of my info from those guys. Before I found that site I was set on the Bose Lifestyle V35. I know, I learned

If you're using bookshelves for your surrounds, then you know that the back wall is the best place for them to be from an imaging standpoint. Get that sectional off the back wall, if you can, move it closer to the tv (somewhere between the 2' to 6' that it seems you have). Otherwise, you'll have a mess in the back of the room.

 

[Irishman]

The reasoning behind choosing the 4311 vs. the 3313 was Audyssey XT32 only being available on the 4311. Because of the room shape and size I figured I would need the better room correction.

Your room is pretty tame compared to some we've all seen (or had to work with ourselves)!

 

[NoRegrets78]

Unfortunately as I said above there is a pocket door that leads to the laundry room that would be mostly blocked if I moved the couch up.

 

[NoRegrets78]

Based on some advice I've read on AVS and here, I'm second guessing the 3313ci.

Room diagram is in the first post. Viewing distance is about 16-17'.

I don't need zones or any additional outputs so those don't matter. Basically it comes down to this:

2113ci
Power .08THD@8ohms - 95 watts
Power .7THD@6ohms - 125

3313ci
Power .05THD@8ohms - 125 watts
Power .7THD@6ohms - 165

Adds Dynamic Discrete Sound Circuit - HD
Adds Audio Upsampling AL24 Plus
Adds Jitter Free Transmission - Hybrid PLL Jitter Reducer

As you can see I probably could eliminate the 2313 as a choice simply because 10 watts between the 2113 and the 2313 really doesn't mean much and I don't need the extra zones. All other features are the same.

The jump to the 3313ci adds 30 watts per channel, slightly less THD (meaningful?), and the extra features of DDSC-HD, AL24 Plus, and Hybrid PLL Jitter Reducer.

I have been researching these options for a while now but no one seems to be able to say if they mean anything important. This of course will be used with the Verus Forte towers, surrounds, center and HSU VTF-15H sub.

Any insight you could provide would be extremely helpful as the jump in price from the 2113 to the 3313 is significant. I'm willing to pay it though for better audio quality. In about 5 years when we move I'm probably going with separates anyway so the receiver will be sold.

Thank you again for all of the advice you give!

 

[twoeyedbob]

Thd.means total harmonic distortion....
Part of a unit of measurement
For some reason they've measured the avr's at
Slightly different rates of thd
Weird..
Someone with a bigger brain will be along in a minute to explain this fully
The difference between 0.5 and 0.7%thd is fairly neglibible anyway
Thd basically tells you how hard they are pushing the amp
While taking the measurement
Comparing Wattage is completely pointless without similar thd figure's(not the case here though)

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