My perfect project begins

[mike c]

were you naked with my sub? or with dawg's sub? (i hope it's the latter)

 

[lsiberian]

They aren't too loud, but are very messy. You will be cleaning up wood chips for a while. That being said, I have routed a few holes in my apartment. I have found the best working area is in the bath tub/shower with the curtain closed. I sealed off the area with the curtain and trash bags. It made clean up fairly easy.



It wouldn't be a bad one unless you don't mind clean up.



You will need to measure the driver once you get it. I cannot remember the exact cut out. Remember you will need to make a lip if you plan on flush mounting the driver.



I own a Bosch 1617EVSPK and am very happy with it. It is one of the best routers on the market. Regardless of brand you need a router with a plunge base.



Those will work fine.

Where you naked when you did that?

Before I get that bad I'm going to pitch my audio gear off my balcony and say goodbye to this hobby for good. I'm not 100% sure that you're not talking about dealing with a hogtied hitchhiker.

You know I'm kidding.
I've always admired your depth of knowledge and dedication.

LOL A nice wood shower!. Or a little to much intimacy with ones tools.

 

[avaserfi]

were you naked with my sub? or with dawg's sub? (i hope it's the latter)

I don't kiss and tell .

 

[sawzalot]

I do plan on either laminating or painting these.

Would screws be easier/better than glue?

The jig thing looks extremely cool.

If you really want laminate you'll have to countersink the screws a bit and then fill the holes in order to get the best edges for your laminate then you can use the router you purchase to trim off the laminate with a flush trimmer bit should turn out just right dont forget your safety glasses ,good luck. Definitely use glue.

 

[Alex2507]

Any ideas of things to do to avoid annoying the neighbors with my new subs.

May as well let er rip cause you're gonna get evicted anyways.

 

[lsiberian]

If you really want laminate you'll have to countersink the screws a bit and then fill the holes in order to get the best edges for your laminate then you can use the router you purchase to trim off the laminate with a flush trimmer bit should turn out just right dont forget your safety glasses ,good luck. Definitely use glue.

Thanks, I still regret not getting prescription safety glasses made when i worked at a certain place. They would make them for 5 bucks. But I will definitely be getting some. Even though my glasses are already scratched to kingdom come. I also plan on getting some good work gloves.

I am getting the "Bosch 1617EVSPK" Apparently Bosch has a factory outlet on ebay. I know I could probably get away with a cheaper one, but I've heard higher hp ones are safer and make less noise. I figure my hands are worth the safety.

On the clamps thing. My local home depot didn't appear to have any clamps up to the job with a reasonable price. The only thing I saw was these 40 dollar cabinet clamps.

Would you guys suggest an sander or just manually sanding?

my bath tub is pretty small so I'm wondering if that would work. I have his shed area next to my balcony That I think i'll use instead. I wouldn't care if it got messy. Not sure what I should set the wood on. I heard someone mention styrofoam. Would that work?

Thanks to everyone for all the help. I probably could find much of this information on my own, but I find it more efficient to ask first. I hear people apologize for asking. But I know that's why forums. To glean all the knowledge of it's members.

I plan to post pictures. I figure this kind of effort is worth sharing with the world. Plus I know others posts have helped me too.

LOL I got 3 projects going atm. Making a PJ screen, Building the speakers. And getting a curtain for my balcony sliding glass door.

 

[lsiberian]

Subs arrived and router learning.

The subs showed up today, but it will be a few weeks before I put them in the real boxes. However I was considering messing around maybe grabbing an odd box and an AMP just to check the functionality. I got the same series but a cheaper version than the VQ. I figure for me the difference won't be a big deal. I am stepping up from a 10" Dayton budget sub. And I plan to do a surface mount and add grills. I'm hoping i can find some metal ones that fit my speakers and match my beta grills. We'll see what it brings up.

Today I'm spending my time watching as many videos as I can on routing. I learn best through audio video demonstrations not books(hence the obsession with this field) I've found a few decent videos on Youtube and plan to watch as many as possible. Learning takes time, but I'm already loving the possibilities one of these things has.

 

[WmAx]

I got the same series but a cheaper version than the VQ. I figure for me the difference won't be a big deal

I was not aware that any current version other then the Perfect VQ was in production. I hope you do not mean you bought the Kappa non-perfect drivers. These are not even remotely similar to the quality of the Perfects and you will not achieve anywhere near the results intended with the Perfect design. If, however, you mean you purchased the older/discontinued Kappa Perfect 12.1 (as opposed to Kappa Perfect 12VQ), then the performance should not be far off from the VQ.

Chris

 

[highfigh]

but a hand saw ?

You do know that all of the classic, antique furniture was made without power tools, right? Some people still make incredible custom furniture with handsaws. It's a great workout, too- with a good saw and proper technique, straight cuts can be made. With a small hand plane, the edges can be made as straight as any table saw, which will be fine for the butt joints.

 

[lsiberian]

It's actually the perfect 12.1. It' very close in specs. I didin't realize it wasn't the VQ until it was too late. It is actually a single voice coil and will fit the box. And I plan to surface mount so that if it doesn't work out. Then changing drivers won't be too difficult.

They where about 100 each so I don't think I overpaid.

 

[tattoo_Dan]

You do know that all of the classic, antique furniture was made without power tools, right? Some people still make incredible custom furniture with handsaws. It's a great workout, too- with a good saw and proper technique, straight cuts can be made. With a small hand plane, the edges can be made as straight as any table saw, which will be fine for the butt joints.

that makes sense,but I like self powered "things" , I prefer not to use hand saws or sailboats,etc,etc

 

[highfigh]

that makes sense,but I like self powered "things" , I prefer not to use hand saws or sailboats,etc,etc

People who only use hand tools are sometimes called 'Neanderthals' and use "handraulic power" for their work.

 

[WmAx]

It's actually the perfect 12.1. It' very close in specs. I didin't realize it wasn't the VQ until it was too late. It is actually a single voice coil and will fit the box. And I plan to surface mount so that if it doesn't work out. Then changing drivers won't be too difficult.

They where about 100 each so I don't think I overpaid.

The 12.1 is discontinued. It was the predecessor to the VQ. The 12.1 will work almost identically in the same cabinet as the 12VQ using the mid Q insert - which is what avaserfi's cabinet plans specified. They are interchangeable.

Performance should be pretty close to the VQ, but I always spec the VQ specifically, as it is the actual driver field tested in this cabinet design.

-Chris

 

[fredk]

You guys are funny. I wouldn't set up a table saw in an apartment, but there are alternatives. FWIW, I do know someone who did set up his woodworking equipment, including a small table saw.

I used my fathers jisaw with a guide to cut down some 3/8" ply a few weeks ago. It worked like a charm and made minimal mess. It would work quite well for a sub too.

Highfigh. I am getting pretty good with a handsaw and have done a number of mortice and tennon type joints by hand. I would much rather use an appropriate power tool for long strait cuts.

 

[Rickster71]

I have found the best working area is in the bath tub/shower with the curtain closed. I sealed off the area with the curtain and trash bags.

That's the way Kramer from Seinfeld washed his pots and pans; at the same time he took a shower.
He even rinsed lettuce for salads.
So, building a sub woofer in there is totally do-able.

 

[lsiberian]

You guys are funny. I wouldn't set up a table saw in an apartment, but there are alternatives. FWIW, I do know someone who did set up his woodworking equipment, including a small table saw.

I used my fathers jisaw with a guide to cut down some 3/8" ply a few weeks ago. It worked like a charm and made minimal mess. It would work quite well for a sub too.

Highfigh. I am getting pretty good with a handsaw and have done a number of mortice and tennon type joints by hand. I would much rather use an appropriate power tool for long strait cuts.

I'm just going to let home depot rip the sheets for me when the time comes. Those sheets are pretty large anyway and they will be easier to transport if they are cut already.

 

[sawzalot]

Hows the build any pics to show your progress so far...

 

[lsiberian]

Hows the build any pics to show your progress so far...

I'm still in the equipment gathering stage. IOTW my other audiophile purchases have lengthened my target date for completion.

But I do have a Bosch router and both drivers still need the amp, eq, Drill, Shop Vac, Jig, Wood, Glue, clamps, Rock wool or OC 705.

I had no tools before the project began, so this is a lot of fun.
Once I have all the tools I think I'll probably build my own towers maybe.

 

[popotoys]

Just a quick FYI, always wear a mask when working around wood. Sawdust is second only to asbestos when it comes to your lungs. I know a lot of us have worked around sawdust without masks, but I think most people don't really know the danger it imposes.

 

[sawzalot]

Just a quick FYI, always wear a mask when working around wood. Sawdust is second only to asbestos when it comes to your lungs. I know a lot of us have worked around sawdust without masks, but I think most people don't really know the danger it imposes.

Very good advice aint no cleaning out the lungs known fact that all species of wood has some forms of cancer causing agents when turned to dust,even in the lowest amounts measurable,dont matter its still there Goggles Dustmask eyeprotection 100% of the time...