mattsk8

mattsk8

Full Audioholic
Been a while since I posted here but just thought I'd share my experience. I was able to go to CES this year with Mark Sayers, one of the owners of Meniscus Audio. I actually got into building speakers thanks to you guys here :cool:; one evening (years ago) I was searching for some info on a new Yamaha HT receiver I purchased, and while on the forum I saw the DIY section and it was all downhill from there for me (in a good way!). I used to be a custom cabinet builder, and I had been hugely into audio my whole life but never considered that I could build my own speakers. At this point I don't even know how many I've built anymore :D.

So, while I very much enjoy building speakers, I also still very much love to listen to what's out there. There have been many arguments about which is better or which is cheaper... manufactured vs DIY speakers. I won't tap into that too much except to say I think it's kind of a silly argument, and the answer is incredibly subjective and could only be answered on an individual basis. I've heard DIY speakers that blew my audible senses away with acoustic nirvana, and I've heard manufactured speakers do the same. I've also heard terrible speakers from either end of that spectrum as well. I'm not sure if there's a limit here on pics, but I'll post the highlights from CES.

TAD Reference One, $78k; and the compact TAD CE1, $18k (these sound absolutely amazing and we got a demo from Andrew Jones himself)


My personal favorite. These weren't the absolute best to my ears, but pretty close and I love the design and look of MBL speakers, so sexy!! The MBL representative was incredible as well; when we entered the room he asked what we preferred to listen to, which was a nice change of pace from the smooth jazz or classical we'd been hearing for the better part of the day. I was able to hear Talking Heads Burning Down The House, Pink Floyd Money and Time, as well as Black Sabbath Iron Man at insane volumes and these gorgeous speakers took every inch of that abuse. The soundstage from these is the nothing short of amazing, and the depth and clarity is what you would expect from a pair of speakers that run $70k.

Radialstrahler MBL 101 E MK II... :cool::D


Look at those curves!!!


My second favorite is the YG Acoustics Sonja. I can admit these sound a little better than the MBL, they offer that extra "ring" that tickles your spine. My only reason for going with the MBL (if I was ever able to go to fantasy land and actually could afford them) would be looks. Say what you want, but that's important IMO if you're grandstanding speakers this size.

We actually were able to hear these in YG's private room, doors closed, all alone with nothing but acoustic bliss filling my ears from Stevie Ray Vaughan. As far as sound quality and I are concerned, these are the best speakers I've ever heard in my life, hands down (and I've heard many). But, at $108k (I think??) I would hope so ;). Sorry for the bad photo :(

Edit: Just thought I'd add... I'm pretty sure the Boulder amplifier on the floor is north of $40k too :eek:



Another shocker (closer to the realm of reality as far as price goes) was the Bryston Mini-T. These speakers are stand mount, IIRC they're 22" tall. The sound radiating from these was absolutely stunning and very full range for a more a more compact loudspeaker, I believe they're about $3500.


PSB Imagine T3. These are amazing, and if I wasn't building my own would probably be what I owned. Superb voicing in these, they broadcast everything I look for in a speaker, without manufacturing unwanted or over-pronounced acoustics. Close to perfection IMO. $7600



I have a lot of other pics as well if anyone is interested, but one I don't have that I wish I did is a pic of the ATC SCM40 speakers. These sounded incredible, but what stands out most to me is that when I first heard them, I wasn't a fan; they almost sounded too bright or maybe too forward. But after I listened for a while, I very much warmed up to them. Incredibly natural, realistic sounding speakers. The ATC reps were great guys as well, and another shocker for me was the difference in SQ between the active and the passive versions of those speakers. Both speakers were identical, except one was active crossover/amplifier and the other was passive crossover hooked to an amp with the same power. He flipped back and forth between the 2, and the active speaker's soundstage was immensely larger. The beauty of that is that it wasn't snake oil, ATC had nothing to gain from it because they were both ATC's speakers.

A lot of amps, $100k record players, $80k CD players, etc. All I'll say about those is the Dan D'Agostino was my personal favorite amplifier/preamp. Not only did they aid in broadcasting incredible sound, but I very much love steampunk and these have that feel to them, the designer is truly an artist. Sorry again for the blurry pics, they don't do these justice.



We were at CES for 4 days, and I spent almost everday in the Venetian where the home audio was. As I said earlier, I've been an audio nut since I was old enough to manage a volume knob. I need to thank Mark Sayers (Meniscus Audio) for allowing me the opportunity to hang out and see such an incredible event; Mark, you guys are truly awesome :cool:.
 
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Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
Matt, good to hear from you. Thanks for the interesting story and photos.

I've seen those MBL speakers before. They're fun, and everyone goes OOH and AAH, but how many of those do they actually sell?
 
mattsk8

mattsk8

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Matt, good to hear from you. Thanks for the interesting story and photos.

I've seen those MBL speakers before. They're fun, and everyone goes OOH and AAH, but how many of those do they actually sell?
He said the majority of their market is actually Asia, oil money I'd guess. Realistically I wonder how many of any of those speakers they really sell, aside from the PSB, Bryston, and ATC, which are still nothing I would exactly call the affordable speaker market :)
 
mattsk8

mattsk8

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Matt, good to hear from you. Thanks for the interesting story and photos.
Also, good to here from you as well. You still building speakers? Anything fun cooking right now? I'm actually about to start what I hope to be my reference 3 way. I have all the drivers, just need to wrap up a few builds I have going before I can start that one.

One I forgot to put up is the Joseph Audio Perspective ($13k). I heard the smaller, stand-mount Pulsars at Axpona in Chicago a couple years ago and couldn't believe how good those sounded. These Perspectives sound amazing as well. I also was able to meet Jeff Joseph, and he's a super nice, down to earth guy.



I was also able to listen to the Sony SSAR speakers again, those are incredible sounding. Another one I was also blown away by was how well Auro 3D surround sound works. I'm sure you guys are more familiar with that than I am, but if I understood it right it uses less speakers than Dolby Atmos, and it's more backwards compatible with older formats (like Dolby 5.1). They had a room set up and did some demos with different things and it's incredible sounding. Auro uses 7 speakers plus a sub, and I know Denon/Marantz have it, but not sure who else (Yamaha?).

There are some that were crazy expensive and I thought weren't that good at all; I know SQ is subjective so I don't want to put anyone down, I just won't put them up either :p. Either too bright, or they just didn't have anything that justified the ridiculous price tag to me.

For me, best cabinet design would first go to Tannoy, then Sonus Faber. Both sound very good too.

Tannoy Canterbury Gold Reference. Not sure how much these run, IIRC they're $70k.


Sonus Faber Amati (something?). IIRC, in the $30k range?


Sonus Faber Venere, I think these are $2400/pair


Shows like these are fun, because IMO it's like going to a race track and getting to drive the cars. I literally got to sit back and listen to $500k systems. Looking forward to Axpona this April in Chicago :D
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
Also, good to here from you as well. You still building speakers? Anything fun cooking right now? I'm actually about to start what I hope to be my reference 3 way. I have all the drivers, just need to wrap up a few builds I have going before I can start that one.
I haven't had time or interest in building anything lately for various reasons, but none of them are fun. But I'm always interested in hearing what others are doing.
One I forgot to put up is the Joseph Audio Perspective ($13k). I heard the smaller, stand-mount Pulsars at Axpona in Chicago a couple years ago and couldn't believe how good those sounded. These Perspectives sound amazing as well. I also was able to meet Jeff Joseph, and he's a super nice, down to earth guy.
I've heard the Joseph Audio line, Pearl, Prospective, and Pulsar. They're very good, and unfortunately very expensive. I think the Salk Veracity ST (at $4300) is nearly identical sounding. The Salk uses what looks like the very same mid woofers (Seas W16 Excel) as in the Perspective, but the tweeter (RAAL ribbon instead of Seas Excel Millennium dome) is different, and of course, so is the crossover. I dragged Jim Salk and Dennis Murphy to hear the Josephs and both liked them. After looking at the prices, they smiled, saying they weren't jealous.

I also remember Jeff Joseph. He was fun to talk with, and I agree he seems to know speaker designing.

I believe the different business models of the two companies (Salk is ID and Joseph Audio is sold by dealerships) can account for the huge difference in price.
 
mattsk8

mattsk8

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I haven't had time or interest in building anything lately for various reasons, but none of them are fun. But I'm always interested in hearing what others are doing.
Well hope you're doing well and it isn't for health or financial reasons.

I've heard the Joseph Audio line, Pearl, Prospective, and Pulsar. They're very good, and unfortunately very expensive. I think the Salk Veracity ST (at $4300) is nearly identical sounding. The Salk uses what looks like the very same mid woofers (Seas W16 Excel) as in the Perspective, but the tweeter (RAAL ribbon instead of Seas Excel Millennium dome) is different, and of course, so is the crossover. I dragged Jim Salk and Dennis Murphy to hear the Josephs and both liked them. After looking at the prices, they smiled, saying they weren't jealous.

I also remember Jeff Joseph. He was fun to talk with, and I agree he seems to know speaker designing.

I believe the different business models of the two companies (Salk is ID and Joseph Audio is sold by dealerships) can account for the huge difference in price.
I've never heard the Veracity but would love to someday. I did briefly meet Jim Salk 2 years ago at Axpona, nice guy as well. It's funny how that works with the drivers, you could blind fold me and drag me into all the different rooms with all the different speakers, and the ones I end up loving the most generally have either Scanspeak Revelators (which is one of the speakers I'm using in my 3 way build), or those Seas W16. Both companies are incredible speaker designers for sure!!
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
Well hope you're doing well and it isn't for health or financial reasons.
I'm fine. My health is OK, but my elderly mom (age 93) died last summer and dealing with all the aftermath is time consuming and not much fun. I'll eventually realize some money, but my hopes of a yacht have been significantly down-sized.

I've never heard the Veracity but would love to someday. I did briefly meet Jim Salk 2 years ago at Axpona, nice guy as well. It's funny how that works with the drivers, you could blind fold me and drag me into all the different rooms with all the different speakers, and the ones I end up loving the most generally have either Scanspeak Revelators (which is one of the speakers I'm using in my 3 way build), or those Seas W16. Both companies are incredible speaker designers for sure!!
Agreed.
 
mattsk8

mattsk8

Full Audioholic
I'm fine. My health is OK, but my elderly mom (age 93) died last summer and dealing with all the aftermath is time consuming and not much fun. I'll eventually realize some money, but my hopes of a yacht have been significantly down-sized.

Agreed.
Sorry to hear about your mom, and glad you're doing ok. I understand the yacht dilemma well, I'd have one too but I can't afford the gas... :rolleyes::D. I LOVE being on the water. I'm about 45 minutes from Lake Michigan, we go there all the time in the spring/summer with our boat (not a yacht, just open bow speed boat). Great family time!!

If you liked the Joseph Audio Pulsars... have you ever heard Paul Carmody's Carreras? If not, I highly recommend hearing those!! I would love to hear a pair of those Carreras next to the Pulsars some day.
 

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