Music:Yamaha or Onkyo?

[mtrycrafts]

sorry to say, neither will sound good for music. it's a sad fact that a/v receivers in that price range produce flat, lifeless music that is nearly impossible to listen to.

How so? Would any of the specs reflect this?

music reproduction will be much better that way than with either of the a/v HT receivers you mentioned.


How so? Why?

 

[soundhound]

How so? Would any of the specs reflect this?

probably not. it's sad to think of all the people running that kind of equipment straight, not knowing any better, thinking they're getting good sound.

How so? Why?

why? who knows. [mccoy]: i'm a listener, not an engineer! [/mccoy] but an integrated amp like the c320bee i mentioned, or a decent 2/2.1 channel receiver will run circles around the SQ of the ht receivers in that price range, and probably even ones for double the price. no contest at all. i can only guess that the manufacturers do it that way so they can sell more expensive equipment to people who want good sound quality while also making money selling the junk to unsuspecting consumers.

 

[toquemon]

You may be interested in the Spanish link
http://www.matrixhifi.com/pruebasciegas.htm

Yes, this is a very good site from our friends from Spain...

Yamaha integrated amp vs Levinson amp and preamps No. 333 and No. 38s respectevely (the favourites of Mr. Atkinson).

Result:

No objetive differences found...

 

[Herr D]

I've got the ONKYO TX-SR601E and when I bought it I compared it to a Marantz (can't really recall which one, but it was in the same priceclass) and I was much more impressed with the Onkyo. I've heard people say the Onkyo produces "flat" sound but in my opinion it's a very "correct" sound, almost no interference from the amp, which is always a good thing.

The Onkyo is superb for movies and it handles music beautifully. I do always listen to music in plain stereo sound and I've got some superb speakers attached to it so that could impact the sound too I guess

Anyway, the statement that Onkyo in general doesn't handle music very well is utter crap (again imho). Can't you go to a store somewhere and compare for yourself, because this really is a matter of taste.

 

[mtrycrafts]

I've got the ONKYO TX-SR601E and when I bought it I compared it to a Marantz (can't really recall which one, but it was in the same priceclass) and I was much more impressed with the Onkyo. I've heard people say the Onkyo produces "flat" sound but in my opinion it's a very "correct" sound, almost no interference from the amp, which is always a good thing.

The Onkyo is superb for movies and it handles music beautifully. I do always listen to music in plain stereo sound and I've got some superb speakers attached to it so that could impact the sound too I guess

Anyway, the statement that Onkyo in general doesn't handle music very well is utter crap (again imho). Can't you go to a store somewhere and compare for yourself, because this really is a matter of taste.

Well, you just explained urban legends
They have a life of their own. One person opines something, another jumps on it, and the snowball starts rolling

 

[mtrycrafts]

Yes, this is a very good site from our friends from Spain...

Yamaha integrated amp vs Levinson amp and preamps No. 333 and No. 38s respectevely (the favourites of Mr. Atkinson).

Result:

No objetive differences found...

I am just reading you are in Mexico City A no brainer for you to read

Speaking of Yamaha and an expensive Pass Aleph:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/browse_frm/thread/664b8681ab141263/3fd91bcb6a1522a0?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rnum=1&prev=/groups?q=sunshine+stereo+yamaha+abx+nousaine&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=501fl6%24ac3%40oxy.rust.net&rnum=1#3fd91bcb6a1522a0

 

[mtrycrafts]

but an integrated amp like the c320bee i mentioned, or a decent 2/2.1 channel receiver will run circles around the SQ of the ht receivers in that price range, and probably even ones for double the price. no contest at all....QUOTE]

Well, this can be tested, properly. No need to guess
But, ones bias must be controlled for, and a few technical inconveniences taken care of, the nasty truths I would say. Then, we can have a better understanding of differences, if any.

 

[Namec]

New input to the discussion: I have the speakers

Hello guys, glad to see you're keeping the discussion alive...for me and somebody else with the same questions.

The old argument of "go to a store and listen" doesn't fit to me. A big media market will never offer conditions to test it properly, if you go to a specialized retailer you'll pay at least 15% more for the service. In the end of the story the best place to judge is your own living room. Do you ask a store to set a system and then offer the profit to the internet vendor? Perhaps many do it...I won't...

But today I'm bringing new information for my dilema...maybe going to the start point.

A retailer made a good promotion and I already bought the Wharfedale speakers, I have 9.1 and 9.2. I just have them packed and ready to use. I made some test with an old Sony receiver and found them not very bright in treble, much smoother than the old cheap Sony midi system speaker. They are in fact a bit more accurate but the highs volume is clearly lower.

I like a good high detail (the metals, the guitar strings...) and a mid range with impact. I wonder if Yamaha has the "cutting" sound that will bring up life to the tweeters in my Wharfs... The crisp and hard sound that many points as negative may be the kind of sound I like

The RX-V757 has now a very good price because it's being replaced by 759, that's why I have to make some decision of catching it or let go.

So, the new question is how Yammies handle mid and high ranges? Could it be some overperformance in these frequencies that dislike music lovers?

kindest regards,