More fun with Yamaha RX-V365

[pzaur]

One thing with the 365 is to not run an audio cable from the cable box to the receiver, but instead run it from the receiver to the TV.
I have a 365 and this is how I got it to run audio.
Cable box to HDMI in on receiver. Blu-ray to HDMI in for video and coaxial for audio to receiver. HDMI out to TV for video and optical out to TV for audio. Reads Dolby digital and DTS just fine when set to auto.

I assume you use your TV speakers for Cable-TV watching sound and not external speakers? Do you have any speakers attached to the receiver? It sounds like you're making an extra, unnecessary (coaxial) connection if you only use the speakers that are attached to the TV. If you are, you're not hearing DD or DTS. The receiver only sees it from the coaxial and that is all.

For this unit to output sound from any connected speakers there must be an additional (optical/coaxial audio) connection made to the receiver (and the correct assignment made in the Setup area). If there isn't, all sound is passed through to the TV. The 365 does not handle audio decoding over HDMI (as mentioned earlier). It simply passes the audio signal on to the next device in the chain.

-pat

 

[BudgetHT]

I assume you use your TV speakers for sound and not external speakers?

-pat

Nope just the opposite...

 

[pzaur]

Confused on how you're getting audio from your set-top box. There has to be another set of connections (red/white, optical, coaxial, something). Unless you've stumbled on to a bug that allows HDMI audio when optical out is connected...strange and confused.

-pat

 

[adwilk]

Confused on how you're getting audio from your set-top box. There has to be another set of connections (red/white, optical, coaxial, something). Unless you've stumbled on to a bug that allows HDMI audio when optical out is connected...strange and confused.

-pat

Isn't it just as simple as the TV passing the audio back to the receiver via the optical cable? The receiver won't handle the audio over HDMI but it will pass it through, right? Then the TV passes the digital audio back to the receiver. Technically, that would work for the BluRay player, too. Just not for the newest codecs obviously.

 

[pzaur]

Isn't it just as simple as the TV passing the audio back to the receiver via the optical cable? The receiver won't handle the audio over HDMI but it will pass it through, right? Then the TV passes the digital audio back to the receiver. Technically, that would work for the BluRay player, too. Just not for the newest codecs obviously.

Ya know, you could be absolutely right. I never thought of that...

-pat

 

[Adam]

Isn't it just as simple as the TV passing the audio back to the receiver via the optical cable? The receiver won't handle the audio over HDMI but it will pass it through, right? Then the TV passes the digital audio back to the receiver. Technically, that would work for the BluRay player, too. Just not for the newest codecs obviously.

I haven't read through this thread since yesterday, but I might take a glance. I want to point out that HDMI-audio routed through a TV will be converted to two-channel audio (on all but one TV that I've researched). So, Dolby Digital and DTS get converted to two-channel if you connect it that way. If that's acceptable, then no problem. It is why I always recommend directly connecting components to the receiver in these cases, though.

 

[BudgetHT]

Isn't it just as simple as the TV passing the audio back to the receiver via the optical cable? The receiver won't handle the audio over HDMI but it will pass it through, right? Then the TV passes the digital audio back to the receiver. Technically, that would work for the BluRay player, too. Just not for the newest codecs obviously.

I believe so adwilk because I have no audio hookup from the cable box to the receiver(just the HDMI cable) and it passes audio so you would think it would be the same for the Blu-ray player, but it's not. I have mine hooked up HDMI-->video/coaxial-->audio. Go figure.
I may be mistaken, but I believe the "Quick startup guide" that came with the receiver shows that the end user needs to hook the unit up with just the HDMI out to TV, all other hookups to use some form of audio hook up along with the HDMI ports, but it just doesn't work that way.
Here's a run down of how I have mine hooked up:
Receiver-->HDMI out-->TV HDMI in(video).
Receiver-->optical in-->TV optical out(audio).
Cable box(DVR)-->HDMI out-->receiver HDMI in(video and audio). Cable box audio is set to pass through. I get 5.1 dolby digital on HD channels that provide it/ All speaker lights light up on receiver.
Blu-ray-->HDMI out-->receiver HDMI in(video)
Blu-ray-->coaxial out-->receiver [DVD]coaxial in(audio). Will not pass through audio HDMI like the cable box does no matter what setting I use so I leave the Blu-ray audio setting on auto. I pull full Dolby Digital or DTS signals from discs. All speaker lights light up on receiver.
This is the only way I could get any configuration, using HDMI cables, to work on this particular receiver.

Hope this made sense.

 

[adwilk]

I believe so adwilk because I have no audio hookup from the cable box to the receiver(just the HDMI cable) and it passes audio so you would think it would be the same for the Blu-ray player, but it's not. I have mine hooked up HDMI-->video/coaxial-->audio. Go figure.
I may be mistaken, but I believe the "Quick startup guide" that came with the receiver shows that the end user needs to hook the unit up with just the HDMI out to TV, all other hookups to use some form of audio hook up along with the HDMI ports, but it just doesn't work that way.
Here's a run down of how I have mine hooked up:
Receiver-->HDMI out-->TV HDMI in(video).
Receiver-->optical out-->TV optical in(audio).
Cable box(DVR)-->HDMI out-->receiver HDMI in(video and audio). Cable box audio is set to pass through. I get 5.1 dolby digital on HD channels that provide it/ All speaker lights light up on receiver.
Blu-ray-->HDMI out-->receiver HDMI in(video)
Blu-ray-->coaxial out-->receiver [DVD]coaxial in(audio). Will not pass through audio HDMI like the cable box does no matter what setting I use so I leave the Blu-ray audio setting on auto. I pull full Dolby Digital or DTS signals from discs. All speaker lights light up on receiver.
This is the only way I could get any configuration, using HDMI cables, to work on this particular receiver.

Hope this made sense.

Hmmmm... Are you talking about the 665 or 365?

If its the 665, it makes sense and there's actually no need for the optical or digicoax. You're just transporting audio via HDMI. If you're talking about the 365, then it makes no sense whatsoever. Adam is right, your TV would likely only pass the audio signal in two channel. Also, your saying that you have receiver optical out to TV optical in? Your TV doesn't have an optical in that I can find. I think you've got it hooked up different than what you're telling us.

 

[BudgetHT]

Hmmmm... Are you talking about the 665 or 365?

If its the 665, it makes sense and there's actually no need for the optical or digicoax. You're just transporting audio via HDMI. If you're talking about the 365, then it makes no sense whatsoever. Adam is right, your TV would likely only pass the audio signal in two channel. Also, your saying that you have receiver optical out to TV optical in? Your TV doesn't have an optical in that I can find. I think you've got it hooked up different than what you're telling us.

I'm talking about the 365.
The 665 passes audio through HDMI just fine.

 

[BudgetHT]

. Also, your saying that you have receiver optical out to TV optical in? Your TV doesn't have an optical in that I can find. I think you've got it hooked up different than what you're telling us.

Specs from site:

Model Type Plasma
Series S14
Model Year 2009
VIDEO .
Screen Size 50" Class (49.9" diagonal)
Contrast Ratio Dynamic: Infinite Black/Over 2,000,000:1
Native: 30,000:1
Aspect Ratio 16:9
Native Resolution (Number of Pixels) 2,073,600 (1,920 x 1,080)
Pixel Pitch (H x V) 0.576 x 0.576 mm
Moving Picture Resolution 900 lines or more
Shades of Gradation 5,120 equivalent
HDTV Display Capability (1080p, 1080i, 720p) Yes
EDTV Display Capability (480p) Yes
Aspect Control Normal, Zoom, Full, Just, H-fill for TV/AV modes
4:3, Full for PC mode
Panel G12 Progressive 1080p HD Plasma Display Panel
Screen Coating (Filter) New AR (Anti-Reflective) Filter
Progressive Scan Yes
24p Cinematic Playback No
24p Playback(2:3) Yes
Digital Cinema Color No
Deep Color Yes
x.v.Color No
THX Mode No
Motion Adaptive 3D Y/C Digital Comb Filter Yes
3D Color Management No
Sub Pixel Control No
Motion Pattern Noise Reduction Yes
AUDIO .
Speakers Full-range x 2 (L, R)
Number of Speakers 2
Audio Output 20 W ( 10% THD )
(6 ohms, 150 Hz - 16 kHz)
BBE® VIVA HD3D Sound No
Surround Sound Yes
INPUTS & JACKS .
Integrated ATSC Tuner Yes
VIERA Image Viewer™ Y (JPEG playback)
HDMI Input 3 (1 side)
Analog Audio Input (for HDMI) Yes
Composite Video Input 2 (1 side)
S-Video Input 1
Audio Input (for Video) 2 (1 side)
PC Input Mini D-sub 15-pin x 1 (side)
Component Video Inputs (Y, PB, PR) 2
Audio Input (for Component Video) 2
RS232C No
Analog Audio Output No
Digital Audio Output 1
CONVENIENCE .
VIERA Link™ Yes
VIERA® Tools Yes
Game Mode No
Pixel Orbiter (Anti-Image Retention) Yes
Menu Languages English/Spanish/French
V-Chip Program Lockout Yes
Built-In Closed Caption Decoder Yes
Timers Yes
Video Input Label Yes
Video Picture Memory Yes
Remote Control IR
GENERAL .
Power Supply AC 120 V, 60Hz
Rated Power Consumption 584 W
Standby Power Consumption 0.3 W
On Mode Average Power Consumption 269 W
Energy Star Yes
Receiving System ATSC/QAM/NTSC
Operating Temperature 32°F - 104°F (0°C - 40°C)
Safety Standard UL6500/C-UL
Optional Wall-mounting Bracket TY-WK4P1RW
Dimensions (H x W x D) with Stand 32.4" x 48.0" x 15.3"
Dimensions (H x W x D) without Stand 30.3" x 48.0" x 15.3"
Weight (lbs.) w/Stand 75.0 lbs
Weight (lbs.) without Stand 72.8 lbs
Carton Dimensions 34.6" x 53.0" x 11.2"
Gross Weight [lbs (kg)] 90.4 lbs. (41.0 kg)
600 Hz Sub-field Drive Yes
Trilingual Menu English/Spanish/Frenc

My statement should have said: TV optical out to receivers optical in. Not the other way around. Sorry for the confusion, but yes the TV does have optical audio.

 

[pzaur]

I think this might be the spec that clears it up:

Number of Speakers 2
Audio Output 20 W ( 10% THD )
(6 ohms, 150 Hz - 16 kHz)
BBE® VIVA HD3D Sound No
Surround Sound Yes


-pat

 

[BudgetHT]

I think this might be the spec that clears it up:

Number of Speakers 2
Audio Output 20 W ( 10% THD )
(6 ohms, 150 Hz - 16 kHz)
BBE® VIVA HD3D Sound No
Surround Sound Yes


-pat

There is no sound coming from the display. Speakers are set to off on the TV. All audio is being processed by the receiver. All audio modes function as they should by the receiver.

 

[pzaur]

There is no sound coming from the display. Speakers are set to off on the TV. All audio is being processed by the receiver. All audio modes function as they should by the receiver.

True. I'm interpreting that as meaning the TV can handle the surround codecs and passes them via optical to the receiver instead of converting to two-channel signals.

-pat

 

[BudgetHT]

True. I'm interpreting that as meaning the TV can handle the surround codecs and passes them via optical to the receiver instead of converting to two-channel signals.

-pat

Ah. Gotcha. Thanks pzaur.

 

[Adam]

True. I'm interpreting that as meaning the TV can handle the surround codecs and passes them via optical to the receiver instead of converting to two-channel signals.

-pat

Yes, the TV will output full Dolby Digital 5.1 over the optical digital audio output if it uses it's own internal tuner for television signals. However (and I haven't read the manual), I will bet you that it will convert all incoming HDMI audio into two-channel audio for output through the optical digital audio output.

 

[BudgetHT]

Yes, the TV will output full Dolby Digital 5.1 over the optical digital audio output if it uses it's own internal tuner for television signals. However (and I haven't read the manual), I will bet you that it will convert all incoming HDMI audio into two-channel audio for output through the optical digital audio output.

The TV doesn't seem to convert the audio formats, but you could be right. The receivers audio modes all function just as they should.
As a side not too. I don't use the TV remote at all or any of the TV functions. I use the TV strictly as a monitor. I use a harmony remote and run everything through the receiver.
For TV watching if I set the cable box to PCM(LPCM? I'll have to double check when I get home) I have to use the 5 ch stereo Enhancer mode to get all 5 speakers to function, but then there are no distinct channels. All audio comes from all speakers the same, and only two channels light up, but if I set the DVR to pass through then the receiver out puts dolby digital 5.1 on HD channels all speaker light up and Pro logic on SD channels 2 channels light up. I can switch through audio modes while watching a program and all modes function and sound as they should.

 

[adwilk]

Well, either its hooked up in a fashion not described by BudgetHT or the TV does pass the surround codecs. I'm torn between the possibilities.

I mostly just wanted to use "in a fashion" in a post.

 

[BudgetHT]

I mostly just wanted to use "in a fashion" in a post.

Sometimes it just has to be done.

I'm being 100% straight up on how this thing is hooked up. Logical or not it works that way. I don't know what else to tell you guys.