Monolith by Monoprice out of stock, what are my options

[EscapeV3locity]

Hey all,

I'm in a quandary, I've purchased most of the component in my home theater except for the amplifier, I was waiting on 10/5 for the Monolith amp. to be available however it now appears it won't be in stock until 12/5 - ouch. 2nd lockdown is coming soon and I need to get my entertainment situation rectified.

What do you all suggest as alternative in that price range for an 11x channel amp? Here is the rest of my setup:

	Brand/Model
Front Right Tower Speaker	Paradigm Premier 800F Floor Standing Speakers - Pair
Center Speaker	Paradigm Premier 600C Centre Channel Speaker
Cieling Speakers	Paradigm CI Pro P80-R
Rear Surrounds	Premier 200B
Side Surrounds	Premier 200B
Subwoofer	SVS PB3000 x 2
Projector	JVC NX5/RS1000
Reciever	Marantz AV7705 11.2-Ch. 4k Ultra Hd Surround Preamplifier
Seperate Amplifier	Monolith by Monoprice 11x
Projector Screen	Reference Studio 4K Slim Frame Screen 130"

Thanks

 

[lovinthehd]

This shows in stock https://www.crutchfield.com/S-Lb2lPOTqa6N/p_022MXA5200/Yamaha-MX-A5200.html?awcr=76553571281784&awdv=c&awkw=eleven channel amplifier&awmt=e&awnw=s&awat=&awug=

Can't tell on the Emotiva site if they have their XPA-11 in stock.

Maybe the Marantz 7ch and 5ch amps together? Can't imagine there's a lot of single box choices in any case, but plenty of multi box solutions.....depending on budget....

 

[mazersteven]

Buy a bunch of these to use temporarily

Monoprice Unity 200-Watt Bridgeable Power Amp - Monoprice.com

Multiroom audio systems are in high demand these days. Homeowners and businesses have their own idea of what they want. Sometimes the all‑in‑one does not meet the need of the client.This 2

www.monoprice.com

 

[PENG]

Hey all,

I'm in a quandary, I've purchased most of the component in my home theater except for the amplifier, I was waiting on 10/5 for the Monolith amp. to be available however it now appears it won't be in stock until 12/5 - ouch. 2nd lockdown is coming soon and I need to get my entertainment situation rectified.

What do you all suggest as alternative in that price range for an 11x channel amp? Here is the rest of my setup:

	Brand/Model
Front Right Tower Speaker	Paradigm Premier 800F Floor Standing Speakers - Pair
Center Speaker	Paradigm Premier 600C Centre Channel Speaker
Cieling Speakers	Paradigm CI Pro P80-R
Rear Surrounds	Premier 200B
Side Surrounds	Premier 200B
Subwoofer	SVS PB3000 x 2
Projector	JVC NX5/RS1000
Reciever	Marantz AV7705 11.2-Ch. 4k Ultra Hd Surround Preamplifier
Seperate Amplifier	Monolith by Monoprice 11x
Projector Screen	Reference Studio 4K Slim Frame Screen 130"

Thanks

How about two boxes?

Model 7000x 7-Channel Amplifier

The Model 7000x amplifier offers common mode rejection on its balanced inputs and 7 x 130 watts into an 8 ohm load. We have never offered this much power, along with XLR and RCA inputs, for this kind of price! Manual See Front Panel Huge See Rear Panel Huge

outlawaudio.com

plus
AT524NC 4-channel Amplifier (200W RMS per channel) $2,995.00, or

Model 5000x 5-Channel Amplifier

The Model 5000x is an update on our previous high performance, affordable 5-channel amplifier, the Model 5000. Still rated at 5 x 120 watts into 8 ohms or 5 x 180 watts into 4 ohms (all channels driven), the 5000x is ideal for those who have moderate size living areas and desire a 5-channel home...

outlawaudio.com

either way you end up with a spare amp channel.

If it was my decision, I would go with 3 boxes:

Model 7000x 7-Channel Amplifier

The Model 7000x amplifier offers common mode rejection on its balanced inputs and 7 x 130 watts into an 8 ohm load. We have never offered this much power, along with XLR and RCA inputs, for this kind of price! Manual See Front Panel Huge See Rear Panel Huge

outlawaudio.com

plus
AT523NC 4-channel Amplifier (200W RMS per channel) $2,995.00,
plus

Model 2220

Mono? Mini? Micro? Magnificent? Whatever that M is, this is one UNREAL little single-channel amp. 200 Watts (conservatively!) into a 3-inch chassis with balanced input stage to offer Common Mode Rejection! MANUAL See Front Panel Huge See Rear Panel Huge

outlawaudio.com

Or, sell the AV7705, grab an AVR-X4700H and an AT523NC for best performance.

The drawback with prepro is, if you want to do 11 or more channels, it will cost you a lot of money on power amp, when the built in amps of an AVR such as the X4700H, or Yamaha's equivalent will be more than adequate for the surround and height channels in many cases.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

You won't need much power if you set all speakers to small and let your dual subs handle the bass. So an AVR would have been perfectly peachy.

I personally like to match , so I would agree with HD on the Marantz amps.

If you had the CX-A5200, I would have recommended the MX-A5200.

Of course, the ATI or ATI-made amps will output more power.

You could get an ATI or ATI-made amp for the front 4CH plus the Marantz 7Ch for the Surrounds, which will need 1 watt per channel.

 

[VMPS-TIII]

Here are some interesting amps:

Nord One MP NC502 4-6 500W Channel Amplifier Black
6 channels of 350W in 8 ohms or 500W in 4 ohms

Nord One MP NC502 4-6 500W Channel Amplifier Black | nordacoustics

2-3 x Hypex NCore NC502MP 2 Channel Module or NC500MP 1 Channel moduleNord Microprocessor board 3-12V Trigger with module Sequencing and Mute Start Up Controller.Nord Switchable RCA-XLR input boardsAuto sensing 100-240V mains input operation0.5W standby operation1.5kW Main PSU on each Module47K...

www.nordacoustics.co.uk

Nord One MP NC252 4-8 250W Channel Amp
8 channels 200W 8 ohms or 250W 4 ohms

Nord One MP NC252 4-8 250W Channel Amplifier Black | nordacoustics

4 x Hypex NCore NC252MP 2 Channel Moduleor + Hypex NCore NC250MP 1 Channel ModuleNord Microprocessor 3-12V Trigger with module control and Sequencing Start Up Controller.Nord Switchable RCA-XLR input boardsAuto sensing 100-240V mains input operation0.5W standby operation650W Main PSU on each...

www.nordacoustics.co.uk

Benchmark AHB2

Benchmark AHB2 Power Amplifier

Benchmark's new AHB2 Power Amplifier - "The Quietest, Cleanest Audio Amplifier on the Planet"

benchmarkmedia.com

Declare tubes - 2 watts of stereo

DECWARE USA MADE TUBE AMPLIFIERS w/ LIFETIME WARRANTY

Manufacturer of the famous Zen Tube Amplifiers and Loudspeakers / Factory direct sales / Lifetime warranty

www.decware.com

 

[M Code]

Basic delay for MonoLith amplifiers is due to China...
The subject amplifiers assembled in the USA by ATi utilize toroidal transformers and output stage modules assembled/sourced from China.. China is now playing hardball with the USA in its trade dispute...
Especially for unique internal components and rare earth products/materials....
To date the Trump trade sanctions have cost the USA consumer >$100 billion, obviously this
subject is political..

Just my $0.02...

 

[EscapeV3locity]

Buy a bunch of these to use temporarily

I don't know why your suggesting that I spend about $600+ on equipment that is throw away for 2 months and then spend another $2500 for the actual product I want. In addition the sound quality from the unbalanced RCA may not be worth it just to hold me over. Are the monoprice amps really that good to wait 2 months for just to find out they are delayed again?

 

[VMPS-TIII]

Monoprice 200 watt amps may never be back in stock or they might have a price increase. No one really knows. They have steadily all gone out of stock over the last 8 months except the 2 channel version. The Outlaw amps are available now as well as others. You just have to decide how long you want to wait and how much you want to pay.

Amps can cost a fortune or a small fortune. lol

 

[lovinthehd]

I don't know why your suggesting that I spend about $600+ on equipment that is throw away for 2 months and then spend another $2500 for the actual product I want. In addition the sound quality from the unbalanced RCA may not be worth it just to hold me over. Are the monoprice amps really that good to wait 2 months for just to find out they are delayed again?

"sound quality from unbalanced rca"? Really?

 

[VMPS-TIII]

It funny that sometimes the analog connector tests as good or better than the balanced connector on some electronics.

 

[mazersteven]

I don't know why your suggesting that I spend about $600+ on equipment that is throw away for 2 months and then spend another $2500 for the actual product I want. In addition the sound quality from the unbalanced RCA may not be worth it just to hold me over. Are the monoprice amps really that good to wait 2 months for just to find out they are delayed again?

You said you needed something right away. If it was me I would wait two months for the amp that you want.
But even if you bought those amps temporarily. As inexpensive as they are you could sell them. How much of a loss do you think you'd take per amp I don't think it would add up to that much. JMO

 

[EscapeV3locity]

I'm looking at the Marantz MM8077 (7 channel) and MM7055 (5 channel) amps which will cost me around $4600 CDN. The outlaw MODEL 7000X 7-CHANNEL and 5000X 5-CHANNEL will end up costing $2350 CDN. I've heard the Marantz aren't the best deal on the internet. Is it really worth the price difference?

Also is the Monolith 11x really worth holding out on for 2-6 months (no entertainment)?

What about the Emotiva vs. the Marantz or Outlaw amps?

I don't think I'm willing to spend $4k CDN on an ATI amp.

 

[EscapeV3locity]

If it was me I would wait two months for the amp that you want.

There are many amps out there, I'm not married to Monolith or the monoprice brand. If they can't keep stock its poor product management. Other companies don't have the issue they do so it seems to be with their suppliers not an industry wide issue. Sometimes companies release limited product supplies to gauge demand but may take a loss just to get their foot in the door.

 

[VMPS-TIII]

The MM8077 is a good amp. But it will have less power than the Monolith 7. The Marantz power ratings are for 2 channels driven. Expect a 20% drop with over 5 channels.

The Outlaw 2220 measures better than the 7000X and 5000X but maybe you will not hear a difference?

We are just beginning to see the age of Class D amps and perhaps better pricing, more energy efficiency and a little less weight. The AT528NC is the amp I have been looking at. It's an 8 channel for $3995. https://soundapproach.com/ati-amplifier-technologies-at52xnc-series-d-class-amplifier.html

The other option is Norde One MP NC252 for about $2100 USD for an 8 channel 200 watt.

Nord One MP NC252 4-8 250W Channel Amplifier Black | nordacoustics

4 x Hypex NCore NC252MP 2 Channel Moduleor + Hypex NCore NC250MP 1 Channel ModuleNord Microprocessor 3-12V Trigger with module control and Sequencing Start Up Controller.Nord Switchable RCA-XLR input boardsAuto sensing 100-240V mains input operation0.5W standby operation650W Main PSU on each...

www.nordacoustics.co.uk

Another option is maybe get a set of Outlaw 2220 mono blocks now and play your stereo while you wait for the surround sound amps?

 

[Kleinst]

How about two boxes?

Model 7000x 7-Channel Amplifier

The Model 7000x amplifier offers common mode rejection on its balanced inputs and 7 x 130 watts into an 8 ohm load. We have never offered this much power, along with XLR and RCA inputs, for this kind of price! Manual See Front Panel Huge See Rear Panel Huge

outlawaudio.com

plus
AT524NC 4-channel Amplifier (200W RMS per channel) $2,995.00, or

Model 5000x 5-Channel Amplifier

The Model 5000x is an update on our previous high performance, affordable 5-channel amplifier, the Model 5000. Still rated at 5 x 120 watts into 8 ohms or 5 x 180 watts into 4 ohms (all channels driven), the 5000x is ideal for those who have moderate size living areas and desire a 5-channel home...

outlawaudio.com

either way you end up with a spare amp channel.

If it was my decision, I would go with 3 boxes:

Model 7000x 7-Channel Amplifier

The Model 7000x amplifier offers common mode rejection on its balanced inputs and 7 x 130 watts into an 8 ohm load. We have never offered this much power, along with XLR and RCA inputs, for this kind of price! Manual See Front Panel Huge See Rear Panel Huge

outlawaudio.com

plus
AT523NC 4-channel Amplifier (200W RMS per channel) $2,995.00,
plus

Model 2220

Mono? Mini? Micro? Magnificent? Whatever that M is, this is one UNREAL little single-channel amp. 200 Watts (conservatively!) into a 3-inch chassis with balanced input stage to offer Common Mode Rejection! MANUAL See Front Panel Huge See Rear Panel Huge

outlawaudio.com

Or, sell the AV7705, grab an AVR-X4700H and an AT523NC for best performance.

The drawback with prepro is, if you want to do 11 or more channels, it will cost you a lot of money on power amp, when the built in amps of an AVR such as the X4700H, or Yamaha's equivalent will be more than adequate for the surround and height channels in many cases.

What about 5 Outlaw 2220’s and a 7000x? Probably already mentioned. Maybe get the 7000x now and just run 7 channels till a monolith 5-7 comes back?

 

[EscapeV3locity]

The AT528NC is the amp I have been looking at. It's an 8 channel for $3995.

ATI amps are just out of my budget, I don't mind getting an amp that uses their design but is cheaper like the Monolith if it was available.

 

[EscapeV3locity]

What about 5 Outlaw 2220’s and a 7000x? Probably already mentioned. Maybe get the 7000x now and just run 7 channels till a monolith 5-7 comes back?

That's not a bad idea, but why would I do a 5 Outlaw 2220’s with the 7000x? Why not just 4 Outlaw 2220’s?

 

[mazersteven]

D Sonic

www.d-sonic.com

 

[Kleinst]

That's not a bad idea, but why would I do a 5 Outlaw 2220’s with the 7000x? Why not just 4 Outlaw 2220’s?

Well you are wanting to run 11 channels total right? I would think you would want 200WPC for your front 3 for sure. So a monoblock 2220 for each of those. But you still need 8 channels of amplification from there. So the 7000x won't be enough. You could get one more 2220, but i would probably in that case buy 2 for your surround channels. But really, I'd say getting the 7000x now and using it for 7 channels while waiting for a Monolith 5 or 7 could be a best bet. I know you are probably impatient to get started with all channels driven. You could get a Outlaw 7000x and a 5000x but I kind of like getting 200WPC for the front 3 even if it's not needed.

Other option that Peng mentioned was get a good AVR and get three 2220's to run your front 3 and run the other channels off the AVR. I know you got the pre-pro already. I am personally guilty of not using the AMP channels on my AVR for my Atmos and Surrounds when I probably should. That Denon 4700 does look like a decent choice but there are others.